Who's the greatest offensive fighter...

[IronDanHamza]

Don't recall anyone really staggering or knocked down from his pullcounter but I'm only thinking of the past 6-8 years, didn't see every single one of his fights, I'm sure some one may have be hurt but the whole nature of the punch is to throw your opponent off mentally, its not that powerful of a punch unless you catch them on their way in (but then its not a pullcounter).


Had to give the big boy a shot out, he wasn't a defense always first kinda guy, he let his hands go for a "defensive" fighter.

Yeah he hurt alot of guys with the pullcounter at 130. Most of them weren't strong competition and he only actually knocked a few guys down with it but yeah at 130 he hurt guys with it.

More recently people like Gatti and N'dou were hurt at times from it but not badly hurt.

Yeah, I know and as I said it's most definitely an eligable choice considering his excellent combination punching but I was just personally going with kind of solely offensive fighters which is something I wouldn't describe Toney as personally.

[studentofthegam]

That is such a silly statement Im not sure what to make of it.

Mayweather is very good offensively when he needs to be. but to pretend he is one of the greatest ever is ludicrous. you act as if clean KOs dont add to your offensive ability. you dont even think knockouts matter, and Mayweather has has only had one stoppage since 2005. even at 130lbs its not like he knocked everyone out. his power is not the greatest of all time either. did I mention were talking about the greatest offensive fighters of ALL TIME?

By Ko percentage Cotto is a better offensive fighter than Hearns, Duran, SRL, Floyd, Tszyu and Chavez. Is that really the best way to decide the best offensive fighter?

[studentofthegam]

Oh, it has, man.

I do agree with the rest in terms of the left hook being a better tool but the pull counter is a pretty useful tool to have in your arsenal.

You know I was going to mention Toney. But then I thought although Toney had an excellent offense, especially on the inside with beautiful beautiful combos and accuracy I just thought he isn't an offensive fighter so to speak and that's all I was using.

But good shout, Toney has some beautiful offense.

Dan you have become quite the tutor. LOL. Dont try to save him.

[Danny Gunz]

Vitali needs to be mentioned here, maybe not of all time but currently.

[studentofthegam]

trade what? this topic is about great offensive fighters who are/were good at punching their opponents face and not good at taking punches. take a good look at the topic at hand and don't let your big manlove for floyd overcome your reasoning.

Keep up. I said that because your comment insenuated that because a guy can get out of the way somehow it takes away from being a good offensive fighter. Dont let your hate overcome yours friend. No one has ever won a fight without throwing a punch or two. Im sorry before someone brings up Pepp "winning a round without landing a punch". You know idiot ****.

[Steak]

By Ko percentage Cotto is a better offensive fighter than Hearns, Duran, SRL, Floyd, Tszyu and Chavez. Is that really the best way to decide the best offensive fighter?

No, and I never said KO percentage. incidently youre wrong about the KO percentages anyway, Chavez Hearns and Kostya all have a higher % than Cotto.

its who you can hurt/knock out. when it gets down to it, Mayweather has not knocked out most of his best opponents. guys like Hearns kept his knockout ability over multiple weight classes, and over all quality opposition. the reason someone like Cotto's KO percentage is so high is because hes fought a lot more weak opposition than someone like Duran, and also Duran kept fighting on way past his prime so his stats are misleading.

when you look at Mayweather's best KO wins, do you say 'wow, he was able to stop them when no one else did?'. the answer is no in pretty much all cases. and there are a lot of guys that Mayweather beat by decision that lesser fighters KOed.

No one is saying Mayweather is bad offensively. but were talking about the best offensive fighters in the history of the sport.

[studentofthegam]

No, and I never said KO percentage. incidently youre wrong about the KO percentages anyway, Chavez Hearns and Kostya all have a higher % than Cotto.

its who you can hurt/knock out. when it gets down to it, Mayweather has not knocked out most of his best opponents. guys like Hearns kept his knockout ability over multiple weight classes, and over all quality opposition. the reason someone like Cotto's KO percentage is so high is because hes fought a lot more weak opposition than someone like Duran, and also Duran kept fighting on way past his prime so his stats are misleading.

when you look at Mayweather's best KO wins, do you say 'wow, he was able to stop them when no one else did?'. the answer is no in pretty much all cases. and there are a lot of guys that Mayweather beat by decision that lesser fighters KOed.

No one is saying Mayweather is bad offensively. but were talking about the best offensive fighters in the history of the sport.

You may wanna check those numbers. Cotto is around 77%. Floyd and SRL are about even on percentage. I dont know man. Again sir as I have stated many times, who gets to decide where to cut a guys career off? Why is it when Floyd is in a conversation people get to eliminate chunks of careers? I may start doing that too since its widely excepted.

[Steak]

You may wanna check those numbers. Cotto is around 77%. Floyd and SRL are about even on percentage. I dont know man. Again sir as I have stated many times, who gets to decide where to cut a guys career off? Why is it when Floyd is in a conversation people get to eliminate chunks of careers? I may start doing that too since its widely excepted.

whoops, got mixed up with his brother, I was wrong there.

and Im only looking at Mayweather from 130 to 140, at 147 and 154 he was not as offensively based at all. I still wouldnt say he was one of the best offensive fighters ever, but he is one of the best to mix offense and defense, how about that?

[PrinceCharlez]

lol stfu *****...this is about offensive fighters that put beatings on their opponents. fighters that put their opponents on the defensive, make them retreat and break them down. floyd is accurate yes, but his accuracy can be considered a product of his defensive style. and he doesn't throw a lot of punches because he picks his openings from a safe distance that's why he's accurate.

U just started watching boxing fool. FLoyd was one of the most brutal fighters in the game at the lower weights. He walked his opponents down, he knocked his opponents out. His style changed when he went up in weight. No difference in Roy Jones style, hopkins style. YOu dont know boxing fool. YOu think you gotta be guns blazing every fight?? Styles make fights...If floyd fought that way every fight he would be text book which means he wouldnt be undefeated...He never approaches a different fight the same way, thats why they cant figure him out...Thats offense...and guess what...he'll make the most offensive fighter look for defense when he's tagging they ass lol

[PrinceCharlez]

What does Marquez have to do with the eminently stoppable Edison Miranda? He's been stopped against the best offensive fighters he's fought...now Ward might be better all around than Pavlik, Abraham (blech) and maaaaaaaaaaaybe Bute, but you can't even argue that he's the best offensive fighter around today. Not even close.

U SLEEP!!!!!! Andre Ward is one of the best offensive fighters today. That dude will be the next big thing in boxing since floyd mayweather jr...remember you heard it here first..