Ok...I promised you a more legit VK thread.....

[Dave Rado]

Vitali Klitschko vs Lennox Lewis

THE TRUTH

Because if you repeat something often enough then it MUST be true.


Mustn't it?

[jimmy1569]

You guys are all frontin'.. Bottom Line.... my boy wanted to continue on to rd 7 & Lewis wasn't having it & retired..yet my boy gets the Tko LOSS on his resume... how is this logical? Throw in the fact that he did NOT want to be bothered by featherfisted Byrd... just proves what a badass he is. Both injuries don't occur during the match.. Lewis & Byrd get ktfo just like everyone else or LOSE all 12 rds just like anyone who doesn't get knocked out. It's as simple as that.. the haters once again showed there true colors by refusing to answer the question rendered & changed the subject because the Only ANSWER THAT HAD ANY CREDIBILITY was that Vitali would've went on to dominate... simply because he was dominating already... but THE haters didn't want to give me the satisfaction.. it's all good guys... ALL i know is Lennox would've been ktfo if he came in looking like Mr. T & i stand by this....when all else fails... go to the last resort.... the braids.. never fails!

[edgarg]

where everyone can participate... much more simple.. since we're discussing Vitali's 2 blemishes on his record. We KNOW they're losses in his records.

What I want to know is how do you think both fights would've transpired if we took away or stitched up the cuts during the Lewis fight & repaired his shoulder during the Byrd fight... let's for all intents & purposes continue both bouts at the point of the cut & when the shoulder gave out. We know exactly when his cut occurred vs Lewis & that was the opening of the 3rd rd. We don't know exactly when Vitali's shoulder gave out.. it was most likely a slow process during the fight & started really bothering him in the last round or two. so let's pick it up from rd 8 & The Lewis fight from rd 3 right at the bell to signal the respective rds.

What do you think would've progressed from there based on what happened in the previous rds? For Lewis it's the first 2 rds & for Byrd it's the first 7 rds. These are essentially the first 9 rds when Vitali was relatively on even ground with both fighters. He fought 2 more rds vs Byrd & 4 more vs Lennox with his injuries..what would've happened without them based on the action before he got hurt?

I think klitschko said it had happened in the 2nd, and he fought for 8 rds with it getting progressively worse, and then the pain was too much. Also he chose to stop so that he could have a later career against possibly damaging his shoulder beyond proper recovery. He didn't know what was wrong with it.

I always thought that you Klitschko fans would know all these things. I keep my eyes and ears open, have a good memory that's how I happen to know these things.

Many would class me as a Klitschko "fan" I'm not an anybody fan, I just like to set the records straight when I read an obvious untruth, or when i see a poster who bases his post on incorrect info. I make similiar comments on many other fighters also.

The only one I can say I've always really disliked is Hopkins.

[edgarg]

And, what's not to like about the Klitschkos?? they show themselves to be admirable citizens of the world.

[edgarg]

He would have smashed Byrd, nobody can fight with a dislocated shoulder. That same shoulder injury was what retired him for four years, that's how long it took to heal up. Lewis, he'd have battered Lewis in the rematch and if the eye hadn't had been opened up with those illegal shots he'd have KO'd Lewis in the first fight. Lewis knew a rematch was a no no.

No, he was out of action, healing for about 6-7 months. It was his snapped cruciate knee ligament which caused his 4 year retirement-plus a little politicking also.

[edgarg]

What would happen if my aunt had balls? She'd be my uncle and we wouldn't even be having this conversation. There's your answer.

That's an Anglicised version of an ancient Yiddish saying "If my Bubba(grandmother) had a beard, she'd be my Zeida(grandfather). I still think it's quaint and funny.

[edgarg]

Nobody got dropped here.. so this doesn't equate.. we're talking about cuts & dislocated shoulders. To answer your question anyways.... he would've stayed on his feet.

I don't think a rotator cuff tear is a dislocation. Correct me if I'm wrong. I played rugby with a guy who would dislocate his shoulder sometimes twice in a game. One of the doctors on the team would always pull it back into it's socket. The shoulder socket is mostly small, and the muscles are the important part of a good shoulder.

I'm told it hurts like hell, and the arm is basically unuseable.

[edgarg]

Vitali was dominating Lewis until that sneaky headbutt that opened up the big gash over his eye, as they came together right after the punch that Lewis fans and Klitschko haters claim caused the cut.

There was no blood after the punch, but when Lewis pulls back after they came together, Vitali was bleeding a lot.

It all happened in a couple of seconds.

Even with blood blinding him in that eye, and despite Lewis hitting while holding and other fouls, Vitali was still doing well up until the end.

You're right there, in fact I believe that VK won at leat 5 of the rds.

[edgarg]

when did this headbutt occur? is there a gif or something? it was a pretty bad cut.

It was more like a gash than a cut. I've never seen a "cut' like that actually. It was shaped like a "Y" or elongated "V". The cut man Joe De Souza, who was very experienced, did a terrible job with it at first, (I seem to see him smoothing on Vaseline FIRST instead of coagulant). Also, he was on the wrong side and using the wrong hand, and smoothing the gash AWAY in the wrong direction, so that instead of the edges coming together he was widening the gash.

Stitch Duran and I had several interesting exchanges over this very thing, and we came to the conclusion that basically Joe must have lost his nerve. His hand was shaking like a leaf in high wind. It's all on the video.

[edgarg]

no headbutt ever accured

Well, I saw Lewis rubbing his braids into it from time to time.