Ok...I promised you a more legit VK thread.....

[edgarg]

so his head butt ripped up half of vitalis face??not a punch???

Another "ripped up half his face" crap, when it was NO such thing. We'll have to call you Larry the Ripper.

[edgarg]

I certainly dont see a head clash.

Yes there is, and what I hadn't remembered, when the punch was thrown Klitschko was already moving his body and head backwards, riding with the punch. There is no way that a punch with most of the steam taken off it, like the one here, could cause that gash.

But then he immediately sways back in, towards Lewis, who was following through the punch and his head was coming forward. The heads clashed. it must have been pretty hard.

Unless it was a different punch altogether..........??

[edgarg]

Interesting.....as i'd have to look at the tape again..always seemed strange that a punch could cause such a deep gash like that & immediate flooding... in one of the slow motion shots..does show that Lewis' braids is right in Vitali's mug... There's a reason why they make him tie it up during fights. I always assumed that it was 100% proven that the punch caused the cut..but now i'm not so sure. Vitali CLEARLY stated it was a headbutt after the fight & stated it in a more believable fashion than when Mike Tyson uttered the same to Mills Lane after he took a piece of Holy's ear.... Man..if all these years of saying it was a punch when it was indeed an illegal blow..... the crow that would be eaten here would be enough to feed an entire malnutritioned country.

"eating crow" fried, broiled or grilled is not to everybody's taste........ I prefer guinea fowl myself.

[edgarg]

I have a difficult time believing that simply rubbing a glove over someones face could open that bad of a cut.

I just took a boxing glove and did it to myself and got nothing.

"Lacing" is an honourable and age old skill of the profession of pugilism. Fritzie Zivic, accepted as the dirtiest fighter ever, was an expert in this and said himself that it helped win him many fights.

[edgarg]

heres a replay of the cut happening in pretty good quality.

2:54

I was wrong about de Souza not putting coagulant on first, he did. I was right about the rest of it.

[edgarg]

A right hook with an arm around Vitali's head to get traction and tear skin, a punch designed solely to cut and illegal.

This is VERY blatant, and the first time I recall seeing it. It definitely warranted a DQ. Maybe it might have been ruled an NC. But it was a very bad foul. Lewis was always a very dirty fighter, I still recall him KO'ing Michael Grant by pulling his head down with one hand, and uppercutting him with the other. DIRTY.

[edgarg]

This is priceless. I can't believe this guy wants to discuss the outcome of the Vitali beating to Lewis MINUS the punches Lewis threw to create vagina face.

Mental illness.

"Vagina Face"........ just crude vulgarity. I' surprised that the site allows such dreadful DREK on it's once "combative but intelligent and clean", pages. Nowadays we get more filth than otherwise.

Maybe that's the way people normally talk in America, didn't think so, but I must be wrong.

[jimmy1569]

I think klitschko said it had happened in the 2nd, and he fought for 8 rds with it getting progressively worse, and then the pain was too much. Also he chose to stop so that he could have a later career against possibly damaging his shoulder beyond proper recovery. He didn't know what was wrong with it.

I always thought that you Klitschko fans would know all these things. I keep my eyes and ears open, have a good memory that's how I happen to know these things.

Many would class me as a Klitschko "fan" I'm not an anybody fan, I just like to set the records straight when I read an obvious untruth, or when i see a poster who bases his post on incorrect info. I make similiar comments on many other fighters also.

The only one I can say I've always really disliked is Hopkins.

What exactly was an untruth? I also knew Vitali stated it was early on. I didn't put that down because it would sound too much like he was making excuses.... there was no half truth that it really started affecting him right at the end & that the severity of the injury was not evident until then... I'm sure in the early rds it wavered depending on how he was throwing & whether he was missing or landing on Byrd.. I won't lie... Byrd wasn't a complete innocent bystander & was making Vitali miss on his power shots.. but just like in the Johnson fight he wasn't landing as he usually does but was the complete aggressor coming forward & doing most of the throwing as that's the main reason he won practically every rd against Byrd..similar to how it played out with Kevin Johnson.. except his shoulder was intact.

[jimmy1569]

I don't think a rotator cuff tear is a dislocation. Correct me if I'm wrong. I played rugby with a guy who would dislocate his shoulder sometimes twice in a game. One of the doctors on the team would always pull it back into it's socket. The shoulder socket is mostly small, and the muscles are the important part of a good shoulder.

I'm told it hurts like hell, and the arm is basically unuseable.

You maybe right... i'm not good with the medical terminology. All I know is thaT it hindered him to the point of requiring surgery & cost him his title.. his O & his record 27 Ko's to start a heavyweight career.

[edgarg]

What exactly was an untruth? I also knew Vitali stated it was early on. I didn't put that down because it would sound too much like he was making excuses.... there was no half truth that it really started affecting him right at the end & that the severity of the injury was not evident until then... I'm sure in the early rds it wavered depending on how he was throwing & whether he was missing or landing on Byrd.. I won't lie... Byrd wasn't a complete innocent bystander & was making Vitali miss on his power shots.. but just like in the Johnson fight he wasn't landing as he usually does but was the complete aggressor coming forward & doing most of the throwing as that's the main reason he won practically every rd against Byrd..similar to how it played out with Kevin Johnson.. except his shoulder was intact.

I was speaking generally about "untruths" not referring to you at all. You can see that many posters even on this very subject here tonight are telling"untruths".

We did not see the 4th, 5th and 6th rds tonight. I think that Klitschko won 5 and 6 on the judges' cards, certainly the 6th for sure. Lewis barely made it to his stool. I believe that Lewis was on his last legs and would not have lasted more than another rd or two, and klitschko was still ready and able to "go".