Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez's Return Likely Pushed Back To September

[Seleção No. 13]

Dude we're talking about a weight division not several and a weight division that Manny just fought in. Stop making excuses for that grown ass professional athlete. I'm sure you would have no problem with PBF taking the fight? Didn't think so.

Your posts are beginning to sound redundant. I think PBF would be small for Sergio as well. He came in at 150 at his only fight above welterweight. He's still naturally bigger than Manny by just a little bit, but they're essentially within the same weight now.

[Chuckguy]

I personally won't order another Floyd Mayweather PPV unless Pacquaio or Martinez is on the other side of the bill. Likewise, I won't order another Manny Pacquaio PPV unless a fellow P4P elite is on the bill. Unless millions of others take this attitude, these two disgraces to sport will continue fighting no one and no one worth a **** respectively.

I have to disagree with you. I dont like how pac takes the least risky fights but I do love how he does give me my money worth. and what if may fights berto or segio or angulo you wouldnt order that?
I would

[GRUSTLER]

Dude we're talking about a weight division not several and a weight division that Manny just fought in. Stop making excuses for that grown ass professional athlete. I'm sure you would have no problem with PBF taking the fight? Didn't think so.

End of story. They want Floyd to fight Martinez but Pac is too small for Sergio? For all the Pac fans that haven't been following the sport for that long and claim they know it all. Floyd Mayweather Jr fought Oscar De La Hoya at 154 OFFICIALLY and weighed 150 at the weigh in and 148 on fight night. Same as Pac but yet Pac is too small and Floyd can take the fight? Says alot about Floyd's abilities compared to Pac because BOTH didn't make the 154LB weight limit but only one (Mayweather Jr) fought for the title and won it the legit way. Didn't want to bring up Floyd but rather make a point.

[GRUSTLER]

Your posts are beginning to sound redundant. I think PBF would be small for Sergio as well. He came in at 150 at his only fight above welterweight. He's still naturally bigger than Manny by just a little bit, but they're essentially within the same weight now.

They both wieghed the same at fight night when they debuted and won their titles at 154 though.

[Sugar Q]

Your posts are beginning to sound redundant. I think PBF would be small for Sergio as well. He came in at 150 at his only fight above welterweight. He's still naturally bigger than Manny by just a little bit, but they're essentially within the same weight now.

Well I disagree. I think they fought @ 154 and can fight there again. The smart move wold be to come in at around 150 again.

[I_like_wendys]

He was underdogged in both his fights in 2010. Dzin moved up 6 lbs, but was undefeated and never dropped before, until Serg dropped him 4 TIMES.

Whoever's next, there's no doubt it'll at the very least be watchable

What's not to like?

[Seleção No. 13]

Well I disagree. I think they fought @ 154 and can fight there again. The smart move wold be to come in at around 150 again.

I like how you said again like Manny weighed anywhere near 150.

I don't even know why I'm still continuing this conversation.

http://www.boxingscene.com/sergio-martinez-pacquiao-too-small-its-mismatch--33061

[RSBonos]

Great job by Dibella to keep him inactive and chasing paydays that aren't there...

[ThePrince]

Hey man. Lets keep it all the way 100. If it wasn't for Oscar De La Hoya. Mayweather Jr and Pac would not be doing the numbers that they are doing now and that is a FACT.

How is that a FACT exactly? Lots of fighters fought DLH on PPV and didn't become megastars.

DLH-Mayorga did close to 1 mil buys... how many big PPVs did Ricardo headline after that? Do you remember seeing him on 24/7, Jimmy Kimmell, CBS, etc? I certainly don't.

FACT is DLH didn't turn Pac and Floyd into PPV stars, the exposure just helped accelerate their ascent. All the guys that Oscar fought did relatively nothing compared to what Pac and Floyd did, so let's not make it seem like they were obscure fighters like Martinez that became stars overnight just because Oscar threw them a bone. Those guys made their bones and proved to DLH that they were viable financial options and would make him serious dough and were worthy to share the headliner with him.

So don't try to act like they didn't need De La Hoya to get to where they are because they did obviously. How can you try to **** on Sergio Martinez like he has to prove he is a viable opponent?

How am I ****ting on Sergio by stating the obvious- he's done nothing to prove he is a PPV draw and no one outside of internet forums like this knows he even exists. If Top Rank and Pac are going to co-promote/share revenue, it would only make sense if the other side brings something to the table and can carry their own weight. Sergio can do neither. That's not 'hating' on the man, That's a FACT.

Dude is doing it oldschool style beating and KO'n fighters with ease. Back in the day. Fighters would have been lining up to fight Martinez just to prove they are better.

Maybe, but this isn't back in the day, 'cash rules everything around me'- we're living in the C.R.E.A.M era, whether we like it or not. If you're not bringing money to the table, you might as well not try to sit down.

Martinez deserves a mega payday and big fight because he proved his worth by becoming the FOTY over a very popular Manny Pacquiao.

Martinez deserves a promoter who can build him up to where he can demand mega paydays. Presently, he can't draw more than 2-4,000 people to his fights and HBO has to keep his low ratings under wraps. So no, he doesn't deserve mega paydays. Just the way it is.

Give fighters credit where it is due. The only reason why I'm not all into Manny is because Homie ain't showing us what he can do against someone he doesn't have the advantage over.

But Martinez does? How many true 160-lbers has Martinez faced? How many guys has he faced that outweighed him or had any advantage over him? Think about that seriously for a second. Beating some random Euro goat herder who isn't even a MW and fought once since 2008 doesn't make you the man all of a sudden, especially when no one even saw it. Sorry.

Martinez deserves to get some cash because he has been putting in work and putting up with the bull**** that the sport dished out to him. They robbed him of a Cintron win and stripped him. Sounds like you are making excuses for Pac.

Again, Sergio deserves someone who can expose his talents and personality to the world at large, and then he can make a cash grab.

Manny Pacquiao doesn't need me to 'make excuses' for him. He's a grown ass man who is the face of his sport, I think he's doing ok on his own

[GRUSTLER]

How is that a FACT exactly? Lots of fighters fought DLH on PPV and didn't become megastars.

DLH-Mayorga did close to 1 mil buys... how many big PPVs did Ricardo headline after that? Do you remember seeing him on 24/7, Jimmy Kimmell, CBS, etc? I certainly don't.

FACT is DLH didn't turn Pac and Floyd into PPV stars, the exposure just helped accelerate their ascent. All the guys that Oscar fought did relatively nothing compared to what Pac and Floyd did, so let's not make it seem like they were obscure fighters like Martinez that became stars overnight just because Oscar threw them a bone. Those guys made their bones and proved to DLH that they were viable financial options and would make him serious dough and were worthy to share the headliner with him.



How am I ****ting on Sergio by stating the obvious- he's done nothing to prove he is a PPV draw and no one outside of internet forums like this knows he even exists. If Top Rank and Pac are going to co-promote/share revenue, it would only make sense if the other side brings something to the table and can carry their own weight. Sergio can do neither. That's not 'hating' on the man, That's a FACT.



Maybe, but this isn't back in the day, 'cash rules everything around me'- we're living in the C.R.E.A.M era, whether we like it or not. If you're not bringing money to the table, you might as well not try to sit down.



Martinez deserves a promoter who can build him up to where he can demand mega paydays. Presently, he can't draw more than 2-4,000 people to his fights and HBO has to keep his low ratings under wraps. So no, he doesn't deserve mega paydays. Just the way it is.



But Martinez does? How many true 160-lbers has Martinez faced? How many guys has he faced that outweighed him or had any advantage over him? Think about that seriously for a second. Beating some random Euro goat herder who isn't even a MW and fought once since 2008 doesn't make you the man all of a sudden, especially when no one even saw it. Sorry.



Again, Sergio deserves someone who can expose his talents and personality to the world at large, and then he can make a cash grab.

Manny Pacquiao doesn't need me to 'make excuses' for him. He's a grown ass man who is the face of his sport, I think he's doing ok on his own

Yo man. If you are not trying to acknowledge Oscar De La Hoya's influence on both Floyd and Manny's careers then we have nothing else to discuss or debate.