Greater RESUME/ATG RANKING; Floyd Jr. or Mike Tyson

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  • King Ghidorah
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    #51
    Larry Holmes Win >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cherry Picker Career...

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    • edgarg
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      #52
      Originally posted by oj simpson
      personally, mike being the youngest heavyweight champion in history trumps floyd's career.
      Also he beat all the Champions to unify. And only went downhill when he went away from his real friends, trainers and mentors. The path is easily traceable. I'ts just unfortunate that it happened so early into his career.

      I blame Don King for whispering into the receptive ignorant ear of an uneducated, inexperienced (in life) kid.

      just a week or two ago, Larry Merchant told an interesting vignette about how King tried to entice Marvellous Marvin away from Top Rank. When he turned him down flat, King "buttered up" Marvin's mother, who naturally got at Marvin about it.

      Merchant says "Hagler took his mother quietly aside and said "if you ever interfere in my business again, I'll stop supporting you...." Game, set, match. Hagler stayed happily with Top Rank throughout his whole career, until he retired.

      A pity Tyson didn't have similiar sort of "kop" to stay where he was genuinely appreciated.

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      • BorderPatrol
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        #53
        The excitement Mike generated just walking toward the ring is more than Floyd will ever generate in his entire Career. Mike's fight with Ruddock is more impressive than Floyd's life.

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        • FerdinandMarcos
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          #54
          Originally posted by BorderPatrol
          The excitement Mike generated just walking toward the ring is more than Floyd will ever generate in his entire Career. Mike's fight with Ruddock is more impressive than Floyd's life.
          It's easy being Mr. Excitment fighting the likes of Buster Mathis Jr and the dreaded Marvis Frazier.

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            #55
            Originally posted by studentofthegam
            No Holmes. The was a passing the torch match from the start. Ruddock was underrated for that time period.
            Holmes, even though about 36 I think when he fought Tyson, was still pretty goods and had some good wins afterwards in a very prolongued career. Foreman always refused to fight him.

            It was the WAY in which the early Tyson always beat his opponents, no matter how good, he demolished them, like a construction ball battering down a building. They never had any chance of winning from the very beginning of the fightr when Tyson would come out, bobbing and weaving and PUNCHING, mostly potential KO punches. teh first check was against Bonecrusher Smith, who could easily have been DQ for constant holding. But all credit to him, he lasted out the 12 rds against a monster.

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              #56
              Originally posted by FerdinandMarcos
              It's easy being Mr. Excitment fighting the likes of Buster Mathis Jr and the dreaded Marvis Frazier.
              Buster Matchis was actually quite good, and marvis had a very good record. Of course not both exactly the same thing.

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              • FerdinandMarcos
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                #57
                Originally posted by edgarg
                Holmes, even though about 36 I think when he fought Tyson, was still pretty goods and had some good wins afterwards in a very prolongued career. Foreman always refused to fight him.

                It was the WAY in which the early Tyson always beat his opponents, no matter how good, he demolished them, like a construction ball battering down a building. They never had any chance of winning from the very beginning of the fightr when Tyson would come out, bobbing and weaving and PUNCHING, mostly potential KO punches. teh first check was against Bonecrusher Smith, who could easily have been DQ for constant holding. But all credit to him, he lasted out the 12 rds against a monster.
                It's easy to look like a monster fighting in the weakest heavyweight division ever.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by edgarg
                  Holmes, even though about 36 I think when he fought Tyson, was still pretty goods and had some good wins afterwards in a very prolongued career. Foreman always refused to fight him.

                  It was the WAY in which the early Tyson always beat his opponents, no matter how good, he demolished them, like a construction ball battering down a building. They never had any chance of winning from the very beginning of the fightr when Tyson would come out, bobbing and weaving and PUNCHING, mostly potential KO punches. teh first check was against Bonecrusher Smith, who could easily have been DQ for constant holding. But all credit to him, he lasted out the 12 rds against a monster.
                  you're only talking about a portion of his career. he fell off so hard. if he were able to do those things for a longer time and maybe at least two stretches

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Johnny Chingas
                    Spinks was 32 and Holmes was 39 when they fought Iron Mike.

                    With the exception of Hatton, all of Floyds past 5 opponents, were older than 34.


                    You don't want to bring the "old" card into this.
                    actually Spinks was still 31 and Holmes was just 38, with only the 2 Spinks' losses on his record. Yes, past his best days of course, but not far past, and he was coming off a nearly 2 year rest. And Tyson killed him. He went on to some very good fights afterwards in a long extended career. Spent much time challenging George Foreman who would never fight him.

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                    • tonyjones
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by jtiger777
                      Floyd..... Tyson just looked better winning
                      well put!!!

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