Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez Rips Pacquiao: "He Fights No-Hopers"

[jrosales13]

Well, Sergio is avoiding Margarito, who has a high hope of battering Martinez and absorbing his best punches.

We've heard Sergio's hardsell. It's like those snake oil sellers, some idiots will be hooked, some will laugh about it.

Is Sergio really dumb to utter such proclamations ? There may be a reason, and that is to entice the Pacman, even Floyd, smaller people than him where Martinez has a hope of beating.

Anyway, Sergio will get it soon, Pacman will be knocking on his door later for next victim duty, if the $ signs are aligned well in Martinez horoscope. Just wait and see ... Pacman already said Martinez is slow, and without real power. And he is already asking the weight they are going to fight at.

So Martinez can continue his hardsell, he better. He needs to be known, heck, if JMM can pull 4000 people, Martinez can't. He really should fight Margarito first, who can fill an arena. He can talk forever, but if the powers that be don't see any $ signs in his stars, then it will never happen. Megastars don't fight for peanuts, after their long high climb to the top. Even Tyson or Ali had to climb up ...

Thank god you don't post often.

[GRUSTLER]

No Jro, I know about his tune-up.

I also know that he has never fought above 154.

My two pennys are still valid. Dzinziruk was not "the best".

Doesn't matter what any of Manny fans think about Martinez recent 3 opponents because in the sport of boxing. All of them are considered solid fighters and good wins for Sergio. That's why he is where is right now. Undefeated, 154 champion moving up to 154 Sergei Dzinzurik is a muhc better opponent then Clottey and Margarito. Cotto would have been a great win for Pac at 147 but 145? First Pac wasn't too small for 147, then he wasn't and then he moves up to fight for a 154 title at a 150 catchweight and then moves back down to 147 because he realized before the fight that he is too small but still took it for the title? That's some bull****. Pac has been using handicaps ever since he beat Hatton. Martinez is just stating the obvious.

[Mayabang]

In defense of Sergio, we all know this fight will NEVER happen anyway, so Sergio has really nothing to lose by dissing Pac, but everything to gain if, for some miracle, these comments bothers Pac enough to make a fight happen. We all know this is all a stunt to get that $$$$ that Sergio deserves anyways.

[ThePunchingBag]

Well if you know about his tune PB, then you must know it wasn't a 2 year layoff.

Technically Dzinziruk has fought about 154, technically he has fought about 160. So to say "never" it's quite wrong. But, that's neither here nor there.

Dzinziruk was not "the best" at 160. No doubt about it, I will not argue that. But, he was/is arguably the best at 154. There is a case for him to being "the best" at 154.

Fact is a win over Dzinziruk at 160 is better than a win over Mosley right now at 147, better than a win over Margarito at 150, better than a win over JMM at 147. It just is...

So to try and downplay it is quite ridiculous. Especially considering in the manner that Martinez won. Because, really that really expected that he would of won in that fashion.

Just because, Dzinziruk doesn't have a popular name, and some probably never seen him, nor even know how to spell his name. Doesn't make him a bad fighter.

Never said Dzinziruk was bad fighter, but he's not "the best"

Beating the best outside of their "best" weight class doesn't make it the "best" fight.

Don't you see why Pac's wins are more impressive than Sergio's.

Size advantage. Pac's moving up to fight these bigger, stronger, taller guys and dismantling them.

How am I supposed to be impressed by Sergio bringing a smaller 154 fighter to 160? Dzinziruk arguably the best? Who has Dzinziruk fought to be called the best at 154?

Sergio's KO was impressive sure, but given those other details you can't really say he was fighting the "best". His recent resume is more or less on par with Pacquiao's if you put everything into consideration.

Sergio's best win to date is an impressive KO of P.Will, you can't take that from him, but Pavlik and his most recent win are definitely debatable.

[boxerbrando]

I like Sergio but he needs to stop calling out Pac.Pac should really be fighting at 140lbs.He wegihts at most 148ish.If Sergio is going to cal out all of the 154lbers than move back down.Call out some middleweights.Sergio is just too big for pack the same way that Bute,Ward,Froch are all too big for Sergio.As for no hopers?Please how many future hall of famers has Pac beat?How many has Sergio beat?

[LeadUppercut]

Pac-Man, Sugar Shane, Tito Trinidad, and Roy Jones all went up in weight all at least two divisions to find opponents and bigger challenges and this guy is looking two divisions down. BTW who hasn't Pac fought that he think has the chance to beat him??? Tim Bradley? Zab Judah? Marquez? Who is this phantom welterweight that Pacquiao is ducking... Who does Martinez think Pacquiao should be fighting that he hasn't fought???? Top 10 Welters for Ring Magazine 1. Manny Pacquiao 2. Floyd Mayweather 3. Andre Berto 4. Shane Mosley 5. Jan Zaveck 6.Joshua Clottey 7.Vyacheslav Senchenko 8. Rafal Jackiewicz 9. Timothy Bradley 10. Mike Jones. I rest my case....

Martinez started at welter, he is now the lineal MW champ.

That's two divisions bro.

BTW, many fighters fought in one division their entire career

Chill, Serg went fishing for the $$, Pac don't want none, sexy moved on.

And it's not just Mosley, Martinez is referring to overall recent body of work. This is an old post, and it was kinda tongue-in-cheek, but this will give you the idea.....

JMM at 130 (the obviously required immediate rematch), Rahim, every legit opponent at LW, as well as 140, sugar (TWICE), Cotto at 147, Hoya at 154, Margo at 154, Berto

Want me to start at JMM and work backwards this time ?

Or will I go straight to Too Sharp?





Oh ****, I forgot, pacroid also ducked Martinez

JMM at 130 (the obviously required immediate rematch), Raheem, every legit opponent at LW, as well as 140, sugar (TWICE), Cotto at 147, Hoya at 154, Margo at 154, Berto, and then he ducked sexy

There ya go..... FIXED !!

[GRUSTLER]

Well, Sergio is avoiding Margarito, who has a high hope of battering Martinez and absorbing his best punches.

We've heard Sergio's hardsell. It's like those snake oil sellers, some idiots will be hooked, some will laugh about it.

Is Sergio really dumb to utter such proclamations ? There may be a reason, and that is to entice the Pacman, even Floyd, smaller people than him where Martinez has a hope of beating.

Anyway, Sergio will get it soon, Pacman will be knocking on his door later for next victim duty, if the $ signs are aligned well in Martinez horoscope. Just wait and see ... Pacman already said Martinez is slow, and without real power. And he is already asking the weight they are going to fight at.

So Martinez can continue his hardsell, he better. He needs to be known, heck, if JMM can pull 4000 people, Martinez can't. He really should fight Margarito first, who can fill an arena. He can talk forever, but if the powers that be don't see any $ signs in his stars, then it will never happen. Megastars don't fight for peanuts, after their long high climb to the top. Even Tyson or Ali had to climb up ...

Where are you guys getting this stuff from?

May 17, 2010
MARGARITO TURNS DOWN MARTINEZ REMATCH By G. Leon

World middleweight and junior middleweight champion Sergio Martinez is currently in Spain waiting for promoter Lou DiBella to secure his next opponent. ********** can inform you that Team Antonio Margarito has turned down the Martinez rematch. Maravilla will also be in attendance for Hall of Fame weekend in Canastota, New York. Remember where you heard it first! http://www.**********.com/pag/article.php?aid=19923

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DiBella has interest but pictures a brutal ending for Margarito.

"I think it would be a murder. I think if [Bob] Arum wants to do it, he knows how to get in touch with me. I'd be happy to do the fight. I'm not sure, but to some degree I'm not sure if Sergio at this point would still want it. Honestly, I don't think there's enough left in Margarito for it to be a real challenge. It's probably a fight we could sell. If we had no alternative, maybe," DiBella said.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&o...table&id=33095

The new WBC/WBO middleweight champion Sergio Martinez says he wants a rematch with Antonio Margarito.....

http://www.************.com/2010/04/...onio-margarito

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BoxingScene.com was advised that promoter Lou DiBella reached out to Top Rank to make a rematch between WBC/WBO middleweight champion Sergio Martinez and Antonio Margarito. Top Rank called him back and turned the fight down, for now.

http://www.pinoysport.com/martinez-r...-pacquiao.html

I think Pac fans don't have no clue about what's going on in the sport of boxing if it doesn't have nothing to do with Manny Pacquiao. Seriously.

[jrosales13]

Never said Dzinziruk was bad fighter, but he's not "the best"

Not the best at 160, can't argue that. But, the best at 154 is arguable.

Beating the best outside of their "best" weight class doesn't make it the "best" fight.

True

Don't you see why Pac's wins are more impressive than Sergio's.

Lately? No I don't see how a win over Margarito is more impressive than wins over P-Will, Pavlik, and Dzinziruk. And, I don't see how future wins over Mosley, JMM, and the winner of Cotto-Margarito II will be any better than the last 3 Martinez wins.

Size advantage. Pac's moving up to fight these bigger, stronger, taller guys and dismantling them.

All this means **** if the "bigger, stronge, taller guys" are old washed up recycled shot fighters.

How am I supposed to be impressed by Sergio bringing a smaller 154 fighter to 160?

Was Dzinziruk really the smaller fighter though? Yes Dzinziruk "moved up" to face Martinez. But, in a weight-class that Martinez just "moved up" 3 fights ago.

Both fighters won their "first title" at 154. Martinez started at even at a lower weight-class of 147 while Dzinziurk started at 154...So how much "smaller" was Dzinziruk really?

Think about it for a second.

Dzinziruk arguably the best? Who has Dzinziruk fought to be called the best at 154?

Santos, Julio, Koncency, Lujan...Who at 154 right now has fought better?

Granted 154 is a weak division but resume wise at 154 right now. Dzinziruk is arguably the best. it damn sure is not K9 or Alvarez. Cotto? Cintron? 154? C'mon....

Sergio's KO was impressive sure, but given those other details you can't really say he was fighting the "best". His recent resume is more or less on par with Pacquiao's if you put everything into consideration.

Sergio's best win to date is an impressive KO of P.Will, you can't take that from him, but Pavlik and his most recent win are definitely debatable.

Again the whole Dzinziruk wasn't the best or "smaller" is not really putting everything into consideration.

And, how's Pavlik debatable? Is Hatton debatable for Pac? What about Oscar?

You been a little bias here bro.

Look for my money Pac is P4P #1, I have Martinez at #2....But, Martinez has just a strong case to be ranked #1 by his recent competition. Pac can only live off the pre Clottey resume for so long. Sooner or later he will have to step up to the plate again. If not Martinez is going to pass him up in the make believe rankings.

[chillifists]

if u were in his shoes wouldnt u be taking millions of dollars before u retire??? for him now its all business...he earned the status the hard way...he fought battles many thinks he wouldnt win...i dont like clottey, margs, mosley either...but when u lace it up there is no way of making sure that u win everytime.... when u go up there in the ring..all it takes is one punch!!

All it took was one punch when he was back at Featherweight doing what he was supposed to as well. I understand that they want to get paid as much as possible, but at least do it with a little more respect.

That's the thing, Mayweather fans say the exact same thing when justifying his weak competition. "Wouldn't you do the same?", "It's a business" but the thing is, it wasn't a "business" when they worked they're way up, I guarantee you it was a "sport" back then to them.

Pac is the biggest star in boxing at the moment, the guy is going to make millions of dollars regardless on who he fights, so to me he is just getting greedy!

If he took the fights he should have taking..he is still going to be the massive millionaire that he already is because he is exciting. He could fight a homeless bum from the streets and would still makes millions, so I don't think it's a good enough reason to take the fights he does. Pac could eventually loose and continue loosing and still make millions..just ask Mayorga!

I think it's a damn shame he has claimed to be the GOAT, while being at the height of his career and is taking rubbish fights. There is soo much better fights he could have taken but didn't. It has increased his wallet, but really hurt his legacy. If I was in Pac's situation I would like to think I would still go for the best fights for my own peice of mind once I retire, to avoid any question marks over my career while still making more money than anyone in the sport!

[GRUSTLER]

Never said Dzinziruk was bad fighter, but he's not "the best"

Beating the best outside of their "best" weight class doesn't make it the "best" fight.
Don't you see why Pac's wins are more impressive than Sergio's.

Size advantage. Pac's moving up to fight these bigger, stronger, taller guys and dismantling them.

How am I supposed to be impressed by Sergio bringing a smaller 154 fighter to 160? Dzinziruk arguably the best? Who has Dzinziruk fought to be called the best at 154?

Sergio's KO was impressive sure, but given those other details you can't really say he was fighting the "best". His recent resume is more or less on par with Pacquiao's if you put everything into consideration.

Sergio's best win to date is an impressive KO of P.Will, you can't take that from him, but Pavlik and his most recent win are definitely debatable.

Sergei Dzinzurik is considered a better win for Martinez then Clottey and Margarito. Paul Williams trumps Cotto because Cotto didn't even want to fight Williams but instead opted to wait for Paul to vacate his title and fight Jennings for it vacantly. and Pavlik was definitely a better win than Oscar de la hoya, if you match their bigger man comp. I don't get where Pac fans are saying that Sergei is not considered a good fighter and win? I think you guys are just on the fame name side of the sport. I didn't see one respected boxing analyst that ****s on Sergei Dzinzurik like Manny Pacquiao fans.