Why Do People Act Like Martinez Win Over Dzinziruk Was A Big Deal?

[daggum]

Daggum just KO Kevin Malone!

i'm targeting peter manfredo next. that should make me p4p champ!

[AnimalisticMeth]

LOL damn you beat me to it. Apparently some people forgot about what Foreman did to Santos on the undercard of Pacquiao-Cotto.

And for the TS: If Dzinziruk is like Yuri Foreman, then he did a much better job than Cotto did. And that's saying something, because Cotto is a great fighter. Every fighter has their ****riders. Nobody's acting like he's this god though. He gets just as much praise as the other top guys, possibly less. It's not completely crazy to think he should be p4p #1. Do I believe he should be? No. But it's not out of the question.

Common Cotto was moving up in weight fighting with bigger gloves and against a mover like Foreman. Dzinziruk is flat footed and was there to be hit. Still it took Martinez 8 rounds compared to Cotto's 9. Both were good preformences but Martinez win is not far from Cotto's.

[Larry the boss]

thats a different arguement though. cotto moving up in weight and fighting foreman is not the same as martinez fighting a guy who moved up in weight to fight him.

matinez tried to fight his mandatory but hbo refused it..so he fought a 154 champ who was undefeated and healthy.......

[Kevin Malone]

your whole point was that foreman is not as good as dinziruk because foreman couldn't beat santos but he dominated him and knocked him down twice. santos was a junior middleweight champ when foreman fought him so obviously he didn't suck too bad.

That's not why Dzinziruk was better, he just is better. The Yuri Foreman of today would get stopped by Dzinziruk, as would the Foreman that beat Santos. It's pretty much irrelevant.

My point was made after you put up your "gotcha" wall that you ignored

People aren't acting like he's the greatest ever, but he looked about as good as could look. If he wouldn't have stopped Dzinziruk the thread would have been "Why do people act like a wide UD over Dzinziruk makes Martinez better than Sugar Ray Robinson?"

It doesn't prove a whole lot, but he did what he was supposed to against another fighter in his prime who has good defense.

If it wasn't Dzinziruk it's "Gee, Martinez beat up the alcoholic shot Staphlik", "Martinez already KO'd the overrated fraud Paul Williams", "Mayorga is shot, a Martinez win means nothing", "Mayweather/Pacquiao had no chance anyways, they are welterweights at max".

He doesn't win no matter what he does.

It's true.

[AnimalisticMeth]

first off...its more how he did it than the win on its own.

second off...If Martinez beat Cotto, this forum would be going crazy. fact is, Dzinziruk is more accomplished than Cotto at 154lbs. its just he doesnt have as much of a name value.


I think a big problem everyone is having is that the fight happened at 160. If Martinez had beaten Dzin at 154lbs, then I think that people would be giving him much more respect.

What has Dzinziruk has done to be "more accomplshied" than Cotto at 154"? Look at his resume, the only names that are of any value are Santos and Julio. Tell how that is ""more accomplished" than Foreman and Mayorga?

[Kevin Malone]

i'm targeting peter manfredo next. that should make me p4p champ!

I think everyone agrees that a 1st round KO of Manfredo means less than his stoppage of Dzinziruk.

[Larry the boss]

What has Dzinziruk has done to be "more accomplshied" than Cotto at 154"? Look at his resume, the only names that are of any value are Santos and Julio. Tell how that is ""more accomplished" than Foreman and Mayorga?

man cotto has 2 damn fights at 154
1- a 1 legged foreman
2-a shot washed up mayorga


come on son

[Spray_resistant]

His best win was Santos, he had to move up in weight and the only weapon he has is a solid job. Dude is in the same class with a Yuri Foreman.

Its real easy to say that after the fact but many ppl thought he was a live dog and would give Sergio a tough fight.

[King Ju-Ju]

matinez tried to fight his mandatory but hbo refused it..so he fought a 154 champ who was undefeated and healthy.......

im not mad at why he fought him. i dont blame the man one bit. **** the wbc. hbo is the one paying him so i totally get why he took that fight instead of the manatory.

[BoxerDood]

Common Cotto was moving up in weight fighting with bigger gloves and against a mover like Foreman. Dzinziruk is flat footed and was there to be hit. Still it took Martinez 8 rounds compared to Cotto's 9. Both were good preformences but Martinez win is not far from Cotto's.

The fight was almost even before the injury. It should have went straight to the score cards because Cotto didn't cause the injury. That was poor decision making by the ref and ringside doctor. How is someone with one leg supposed to defend against a guy like Cotto's body shots? I wasn't impressed at all.

Martinez on the other hand dropped Dzinziruk 5 times, all throughout the fight. It was never close. He had to take rounds off for Dzinziruk to even attempt to catch up. Was it the best win in the world? No. Dzinziruk isn't this amazing p4p type fighter. But it's better than anything the other top dogs are doing (aside from maybe Donaire, if he beats Moreno impressively).