Comments Thread For: A Plea To Arum/DiBella: Get Pacquiao vs Martinez Done!

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Isn't Lyle (article writer) supposedly the biggest ***** / pac hater on boxingscene?

I remember this guy begging Floyd to go beat up on Pac a few days after he destroyed Cotto.

Come on man. Lets keep it all the way live here. boxingscene is probably the biggest pro Manny Pacquiao website around. You can't even say anything critical of Pac without getting red k. Funny to me that mostly all the knowledgable boxing fans are in the red and all the idiot, no knowledge whatsoever, fan boys are all green? Then you got the Nathaniel Pac lover guy. The heat is on Pac right now to deliever plain and simple and there's no hate or lies about that. Everything is revealed in due time and Manny is about to get trumped by the better fighter, Martinez (rightfully). Better hope Mosley don't pull an upset because then it's over for Pac.

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What's wrong is that Cotto didn't want to defend his title at 145 at first but Bob, the WBO and Pac gooned him. How am I a hater when Ring Magazine, ESPN and now at boxingscene people are starting to consider putting Martinez over Pac in the P4P rankings? Just look at my sig and it says it all. Sergei was undefeated. That trumps Pac period. When has Pac fought someone who was an undefeated champion? Sergei defended his tile 6 times successfully before moving up for Martinez. When was the last time Pac fought a champion that looked good winning and was regarded as a good fighter? I'll wait.

undefeated doesnt mean anything if you fight bums. you just lose your arguments. YOU FAILED

its like you were saying Sergei was better than Cotto or Mosley because he was undefeated. If Dzinziruk faced the guys that Mosley and Cotto fought he would have had atleast 10 loses by now. and you call DZINZIRUK a TOP FIGHTER? yeah he was undefeated fighting bums but when he face a very good boxer what happened to Dzinziruk? he kissed the canvass 6x. and would still keep on losing once he face credible opponents! FACTS

Dzinziruk is not a middleweight champion. not a top fighter in middleweight or jr middleweight division. FACT! FAIL AGAIN.
Cotto ranked higher in a welterweight than Dzinziruk in a Jr. Middleweight. same goes with Clottey. so undefeated doesnt mean anything without fighting a good opponents. on top of that Sergio didnt even fight Dzinziruk in the weight where he was relevant, in a Jr. Middleweight. FACTS

Cotto didnt want to defend his title @145 lbs? never heard of it. and besides you probably dont know that welterweight is not just 147 lbs right?

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You high? Pac is known as the best fighter in the world for a reason.

Manny Pacquiao is known as one of the best and not "THE BEST" because some boxing and media publications still have Floyd Mayweather Jr as #1 and Pac #2 and vice versa. Funny thing about that is that Floyd hasn't fought in a looong time but his win against the then #1 WW in the world "Shane Mosley" was more impressive of a win then Oscar, Cotto and Clottey at 147. Now you have Martinez doing his thing and getting "fighter of the year" award and now people are pushing for him to be #1 in the P4P rankings. how can Pac be considered "the best" when he can't even hold it down on his own without people in the sport of boxing question his claim?

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Manny Pacquiao is known as one of the best and not "THE BEST" because some boxing and media publications still have Floyd Mayweather Jr as #1 and Pac #2 and vice versa. Funny thing about that is that Floyd hasn't fought in a looong time but his win against the then #1 WW in the world "Shane Mosley" was more impressive of a win then Oscar, Cotto and Clottey at 147. Now you have Martinez doing his thing and getting "fighter of the year" award and now people are pushing for him to be #1 in the P4P rankings. how can Pac be considered "the best" when he can't even hold it down on his own without people in the sport of boxing question his claim?

okay give me some credible media publications you talking about? you are really hating Pac. im pretty sure all he has done is being recognized as the best pound for pound, the best fighter of the decade and a mile ahead of your Floyd.

and Manny Pacquiao is considered "THE BEST" not one of the best. so keep on hating!

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undefeated doesnt mean anything if you fight bums. you just lose your arguments. YOU FAILED

its like you were saying Sergei was better than Cotto or Mosley because he was undefeated. If Dzinziruk faced the guys that Mosley and Cotto fought he would have had atleast 10 loses by now. and you call DZINZIRUK a TOP FIGHTER? yeah he was undefeated fighting bums but when he face a very good boxer what happened to Dzinziruk? he kissed the canvass 6x. and would still keep on losing once he face credible opponents! FACTS

Dzinziruk is not a middleweight champion. not a top fighter in middleweight or jr middleweight division. FACT! FAIL AGAIN.
Cotto ranked higher in a welterweight than Dzinziruk in a Jr. Middleweight. same goes with Clottey. so undefeated doesnt mean anything without fighting a good opponents. on top of that Sergio didnt even fight Dzinziruk in the weight where he was relevant, in a Jr. Middleweight. FACTS

Cotto didnt want to defend his title @145 lbs? never heard of it. and besides you probably dont know that welterweight is not just 147 lbs right?

Sergei was considered a legit opponent for Sergio Martinez and if you don't believe me ask the people at Ring & ESPN...

by Michael Rosenthal
Mar 13th, 2011

First, you have to consider the opponent. Dzinziruk (37-1-, 23 knockouts) wasn’t well known in the United States but he was undefeated and insiders knew him to be a superb boxer, particularly his machine-like right jab.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/1...dzinziruk-in-8

Dan Rafael's:

When the fight was made, even though Martinez was considered the favorite, it was expected by most to be a competitive fight. Dzinziruk, 35, is no joke. He was a 1996 Olympian and owns a junior middleweight title, which he defended six times before moving up for the opportunity (and a career-high payday) to challenge fellow southpaw Martinez. Dzinziruk was also known for his killer jab and exceptional defense.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=6215324

Who are you or any Pac fans to say anything about Sergei's worth when the majority of you never heard of him? When has any Manny Pacquiao opponent got this much praise during and after the fight? If it ain't about Manny. Pac fans don't know anything about a fighter. It's a fact that Sergio's last 3 opponents were considered better than Pac's. Don't believe me? Just look at my sig. Pac fans are not boxing fans but rather emotional cry babies. All you guys want to see his Pac get the praise without putting in the work. Pac fans want Pac to look dominant without him fighting dominant competition, just so Pac fans can say how great Manny is. Pathetic

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okay give me some credible media publications you talking about? you are really hating Pac. im pretty sure all he has done is being recognized as the best pound for pound, the best fighter of the decade and a mile ahead of your Floyd.

and Manny Pacquiao is considered "THE BEST" not one of the best. so keep on hating!

Sure he is. Well, tell these guys who work here.....

Mayweather is recognized as the number one pound for pound boxer in the world by some press sources including BoxRec, Fox Sports and BBC Sports. The The Ring rates him as the number two pound-for-pound boxer in the world, behind Manny Pacquiao.

Everything I am saying is facts. How am I hating?

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Manny Pacquiao is known as one of the best and not "THE BEST" because some boxing and media publications still have Floyd Mayweather Jr as #1 and Pac #2 and vice versa. Funny thing about that is that Floyd hasn't fought in a looong time but his win against the then #1 WW in the world "Shane Mosley" was more impressive of a win then Oscar, Cotto and Clottey at 147. Now you have Martinez doing his thing and getting "fighter of the year" award and now people are pushing for him to be #1 in the P4P rankings. how can Pac be considered "the best" when he can't even hold it down on his own without people in the sport of boxing question his claim?

LOL @ the mosley win was more impressive than manny's wins over oscar, cotto and clottey... had you watched those fights?...

question is, if martinez is indeed "special", why the boxing world only noticed him last year and arguably the last part of 2009?... while pacquiao destroyed then IBF champ in ledwaba within 2 weeks notice back in 2001...

what does martinez has done BEFORE losing the 1st williams fight?...

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LOL @ the mosley win was more impressive than manny's wins over oscar, cotto and clottey... had you watched those fights?...

question is, if martinez is indeed "special", why the boxing world only noticed him last year and arguably the last part of 2009?... while pacquiao destroyed then IBF champ in ledwaba within 2 weeks notice back in 2001...

what does martinez has done BEFORE losing the 1st williams fight?...

Fam, I saw the fights and sure Manny is more exciting when he fights because of his offense but that's not what I'm getting at. Sugar Shane Mosley was #1 in the WW division after he KO'd the man (Antonio Margarito) that beat the man (Miguel Cotto). Oscar wasn't ranked, Cotto beat Mosley prior (At 147) but at the time Pac fought him. Cotto was not ranked higher than Shane. Clottey? Whatever. That dude was coming off of a loss and he didn't even come to fight (said it himself). Why do you think Floyd one fight with Shane put him on top in the WW division? Didn't Manny fight there more? If his 3 opponents at 147 was more worthy then Floyd's one fight with Shane, then Pac would have been #1 in the division NOT Floyd.

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what does martinez has done BEFORE losing the 1st williams fight?...

Pac has done more career wise but in the past two years Sergio Martinez trumps him on the performance/competition level and everyone is seeing it more and more.

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[QUOTE=GRUSTLER;10236400]Sergei was considered a legit opponent for Sergio Martinez and if you don't believe me ask the people at Ring & ESPN.../QUOTE]

i dont have to ask Ring Magazine or ESPN. because Dzinziruk was not rank anywhere in any organization in world as a legit Middleweight. and ranked number 8 in junior middleweight.