Martinez is seriously making his case as No. 1 P4P

[The Noose]

No, Pacquiao fought and beat the reigning lightweight king, moved up to welterweight and beat DLH, who admittedly was weight drained and way over the hill, then he beat the guy who was the man at 140 at the time, then he beat Cotto, who was and probably still is among the 15 or 20 best fighters in the sport and was at the time at worst the number 3 welterweight in the world. Margarito is still a tough guy who was a full weight division bigger than Pacquiao when they fought and Mosley is still dangerous and again, will probably be a full weight division bigger than Pacquiao when they fight.

The thing with Pacquiao is that the guys he's fighting and beating are naturally much bigger than he is and he's doing it without losing more than a fee rounds along the way.

Excuses can be made for every fighter when they lose, like Pavlik was going through alcohol issues ever since the Hopkins fight and that Williams might have been better suited at 154 since he's moving back down in weight now and that Dzinziruk could also be better served at 154 since he can still make the weight effectively and has been there throughout his career. This is not trying to take anything away from Martinez but all I'm saying is that Pacquiao still deserves to be the number 1 guy in the sport until he loses or until he starts fighting bums, he hasn't lost and he isn't fighting bums.

i also agree with this.

I think its become almost fashionable to downplay Pac's last few fights, and ignore the fact he is fighting bigger men who are all still quality fighters.

People seem to conveniently forget Cotto vs Pac was a 50/50 fight. Now he was shot? lol

[kadyo's]

No, Pacquiao fought and beat the reigning lightweight king, moved up to welterweight and beat DLH, who admittedly was weight drained and way over the hill, then he beat the guy who was the man at 140 at the time, then he beat Cotto, who was and probably still is among the 15 or 20 best fighters in the sport and was at the time at worst the number 3 welterweight in the world. Margarito is still a tough guy who was a full weight division bigger than Pacquiao when they fought and Mosley is still dangerous and again, will probably be a full weight division bigger than Pacquiao when they fight.

The thing with Pacquiao is that the guys he's fighting and beating are naturally much bigger than he is and he's doing it without losing more than a fee rounds along the way.

Excuses can be made for every fighter when they lose, like Pavlik was going through alcohol issues ever since the Hopkins fight and that Williams might have been better suited at 154 since he's moving back down in weight now and that Dzinziruk could also be better served at 154 since he can still make the weight effectively and has been there throughout his career. This is not trying to take anything away from Martinez but all I'm saying is that Pacquiao still deserves to be the number 1 guy in the sport until he loses or until he starts fighting bums, he hasn't lost and he isn't fighting bums.

Silencers, arguably the best poster in this forum, is always spot on.

[empiricix]

You can make an argument for P4P No. 1 for Sergio if you define P4P by recent victories alone. No problem with that at all.

However, it seems that we are forgetting what 'pound for pound' really means. It assumes that if two fighters are of the same weight, one would beat the other.

So, if we assume that Pac and Sergio are of the same weight, which one would win?

[AssasinKing]

Sergio IS #1, Floyd is inactive and Pacquiao hasn't had a legitimate opponent in a long time

Lol, a Small dude fighting these huge other guys, yet because hes so good people think hes not fighting legit opponents.....what if he stayed at 135-140 and just knocked everyone out in 2 rounds, would people rather that? lol

[empiricix]

This I totally agree with..But I don't wanna see Berto to be honest,JMM the winner of Khan Bradley,or even go back to 154lb and fight Martinez..People saying Pac is too small for Martinez need to stop,Martinez is smaller then everyone of his last 5 opponents and Pac just fought a way bigger fighter in Marga's..Pac needs to challenge his self,Mosley might be a tougher fight then a lot of people think,but Mosley at this stage of his career won't have enough to go 12 rds to beat Pac..I don't know if Mosley will be stopped but I do believe he will lose(and that's saying a lot because Mosley is my fav fighter)..But I agree Pac needs to fight a stiff challenge after this fight..

BTW I just want to repeat not Berta though he has some proven to do of his own before he can even say Pac's name..Or any other top level fighter imo..

Margarito fought Pac at a catchweight of 150 lbs. Sergio says he has to lose an arm or a leg to face Pac at 150. I didn't see a one-armed or one-legged Margarito during the weigh-in against Pac.

So, how can Sergio be smaller than Margarito?

Furthermore, Pac COULDN'T even make the 150 lbs catchweight. He only weighed-in at 144.6.

So, how in blazes is Pacquiao not too small for Sergio?

[mathed]

they were saying that Kirkland wanted Martinez.....lol.....if dude wants to catch his first L, then step up to theplate and get that ass taxed....

[Canelo Phresh]

its legit sergios number 1 now.

[z0jo]

In terms of talent he is already ahead of pac imo

1. floyd
2. martinez
3. pac

[Rome-By-Ko]

Margarito fought Pac at a catchweight of 150 lbs. Sergio says he has to lose an arm or a leg to face Pac at 150. I didn't see a one-armed or one-legged Margarito during the weigh-in against Pac.

So, how can Sergio be smaller than Margarito?

Furthermore, Pac COULDN'T even make the 150 lbs catchweight. He only weighed-in at 144.6.

So, how in blazes is Pacquiao not too small for Sergio?

Pac has a Jr MW belt,no??If Pac really wanted this fight he could agree to 152lb and get it on..Marga's and Pwilly are just bigger fighters then Martinez(as far as height)and Pac dealt with it just fine why can't he deal with Martinez the same way??

Pac has weighed less then all his last five opponents I believe with exception of maybe one of umm(I think it was Hoya)this is a very weak excuse imo he has been the smaller man for the past two or three yrs..He has been coming up in weight,if Pac Martinez don't happen it has nothing to do with size but it has everything to do with Martinez's style and the danger he presents..

[War Dinamita]

Dehydrator needs to take the sand out of his vagina and actually debate on the forums instead of giving red K like a *****.