The Excuse of "american heavyweights playing nfl"

[Earl-Hickey]

oh dear, facts... name your top 5 ATG and see how many Euros you got in there.. lol and if you have 2-3 your ****ing lying buddy!!!LMAO

Mofos try and flip **** i wrote 220-300 characters and you *****es took the last part of my thoughts and wanted to try and clown off it, haha cuz you cant respond intelligently to what i said!!

No, YOU made a clown of yourself by throwing your toys out of your pram.

I don't recall this thread being about "who are your top 5 atg's"

I thought it was about America having no decent heavyweights.

This is NSB, not the History section.

[Spray_resistant]

oh dear, facts... name your top 5 ATG and see how many Euros you got in there.. lol and if you have 2-3 your ****ing lying buddy!!!LMAO

Mofos try and flip **** i wrote 220-300 characters and you *****es took the last part of my thoughts and wanted to try and clown off it, haha cuz you cant respond intelligently to what i said!!

There were many great American fighters from the past, no one is stating otherwise we are discussing why there are not today.

[-The Game-]

There were many great American fighters from the past, no one is stating otherwise we are discussing why there are not today.

I do agreee that Eastern European boxers have done a lot better in the past 20 years, no doubt about it...but to completely dismiss the rise in NBA and NFL as to why there are no great American champions, IMO, isnt right......

[Spray_resistant]

I do agreee that Eastern European boxers have done a lot better in the past 20 years, no doubt about it...but to completely dismiss the rise in NBA and NFL as to why there are no great American champions, IMO, isnt right......

I don't see any relation between the two things, is Ali only considered by many the greatest HW ever because some footballer or basketball player picked their sports instead of boxing? I think its laughable to suggest something like that and equally laughable to suggest the same thing today about the K-bros and other dominant Euro fighters.

[Heeb]

Interest in boxing has definitely decreased in America, but to say that America would dominate the sport if Americans were as interested in boxing as they used to be is a ridiculous comment.

[-The Game-]

I don't see any relation between the two things, is Ali only considered by many the greatest HW ever because some footballer or basketball player picked their sports instead of boxing? I think its laughable to suggest something like that and equally laughable to suggest the same thing today about the K-bros and other dominant Euro fighters.

No because many athletes who compete in both sports exibit athletism that could be used in boxing....many of the greatest fights of all time have been great athletes........

Like I said...a lot of people say the reason why Roy Jones became shot so early was because he relied too much on his athletism, rather than his boxing skills...but no one is ready to admit that great physical specimens in the NBA and NFl could have been boxers (who good, im not sure) had they persued it....and its only a discussion becasue America used to be great at it....so I dont want to hear the argument about soccer because soccer countries never had a great tradition in boxing..........

[Cokezaghe_Loc]

It's the dumbest tripe I have ever had the misfortune to hear.

[Spray_resistant]

No because many athletes who compete in both sports exibit athletism that could be used in boxing....many of the greatest fights of all time have been great athletes........

Like I said...a lot of people say the reason why Roy Jones became shot so early was because he relied too much on his athletism, rather than his boxing skills...but no one is ready to admit that great physical specimens in the NBA and NFl could have been boxers (who good, im not sure) had they persued it....and its only a discussion becasue America used to be great at it....so I dont want to hear the argument about soccer because soccer countries never had a great tradition in boxing..........

Roy had his own specific technique that worked for him, may have been unorthodox but it worked and you post as if there are many examples if Roy Jones's out there. He is an exception not the rules, no one I suspect will come along like him for some time.

Boxing doesn't depend solely on athletic ability there are other attributes not visible that need to be present which football and basketball lets be honest because they are much easier don't bring out.

Again though you are using the argument about an American fighter who doesn't exist who could be great if he did.

Couldn't I do the same about some random Euro guy in Ali's time beating him if he existed?

[Steak]

its....sort of true. but still an excuse.

fact is that if there wasnt the NFL or basketball in the USA, and boxing had more emphasis among big guys, there WOULD be more top HWs from America. thats not too farfetched, right?


but thats just silly speculation. fact is, a top American fighter just doesnt exist at HW, because those NFL guys have 0 boxing skill.

that goes for any country. If China tomorrow made boxing its national sport and every child in China started boxing, I can tell you right now that China would be flat out dominating boxing in 20 years.

more emphasis on boxing=producing better fighters. simple as that. and virtually any country can use that same 'excuse'.

[GreatestIam]

The truth is that boxings popularity in America has decreased greatly and our amateur program is **** leaving us to produce less top notch fighters than we use to. It has nothing to do with this one or that one being tougher.

Ya Boxing in America has decreased because basketball, football and baseball's popularity have increased, It may not be written but think about it, IMHO the top athletes in either football or basketball could compete with any current HW champ, had they had the proper training... just off body stats alone id take a trained Blake Griffin 6'10 250 or Dwight(most athletic big man ever) Howard 7'0 260 over 6'6 240 Wlad or 6'7 250 Vitali any day...

So the fact that there are just 2 major HWs right now from overseas dominating doesn't account for the other 10 contenders being of mixed origins who could lose at any point and wouldn't necessarily be prohibited favorites over a top American or any-other fighters.. Povetkin v Adamek would produce a loser Tony Thompson v Eddie Chambers would to, does that automatically mean the winner from the 1st fight would beat the winner of the 2nd because American boxing isnt where it use to be!!!???


Its a matter of time before a new face emerges in the HW division and he could be from anywhere, that's, how boxing works... we (americans) get better in basketball, football and baseball the rest of the world is taking over boxing because Americans interest in participating isnt where it use to be. The other division are swarmed with Americans worth mentioning, but the fact .. HW embodies big 200 plus men, there interest are in what is introduced to early in life football, basketball, baseball track n field... Boxing unlike in Europe isnt a school activity or sport, if it was things may be different!!!