To this point what is Jones' career defining/best win

[Parodius]

You're an idiot.

Who cares what Toney did or was going through. He's a class fighter and he was SHUT OUT. Period.

Your inablility to call Hopkins by his name sums up your maturity level and your credibility.

Hopkins wasn't green, and he made a great account of himself and lost a competitive fight.

Hopkins is a top 5 - 10 middleweight of all time, and Jones beat him when they were both young and hungry.

Any way you try and spin it doesn't change the fact it was a significant win.

That's like saying the Benetiez fight wasn't a good win for Leonard because Benetiez was green.

Bull ****.

I think most people know you're the idiot. I guess you haven't changed. The Bitchkin fight was not a big fight. Nobody knew at that time that Bitchkins is gonna become a legend. The Toney fight was his biggest fight & that is the fact jack. But I'm arguing with a dummy.

[Easy-E]

the fact that rjj moved up from light heavyweight to heavyweight and beat a champ, regardless of that champions particular talent, is the defining accomplishment of his career

[Bozo_no no]

Im not a Tarver fan at all but to compare Tarver with Donny Lalonde??? Maybe if he would have ko'd an old Leonard I might be able to agree but as much as I dont like Tony Tarver I wont disprespect him that much by comparing him to Lalonde.

Not compairing the fighters in specific, but the fact it was one of the 1st times you saw a fighter like Ray or Jones struggle as a reslut of aging.

He's saying because it was the 1st time Roy faced adversity that makes it a career defining win.

I don't see it that way.

I don't think Tarver is a great fighter, and that fight to me was just a fight Jones had trouble with because of his age and the weight loss.

[Bozo_no no]

I think most people know you're the idiot. I guess you haven't changed. The Bitchkin fight was not a big fight. Nobody knew at that time that Bitchkins is gonna become a legend. The Toney fight was his biggest fight & that is the fact jack. But I'm arguing with a dummy.

I can't say it any clearer:

By your logic, the Wilfred Benetiez vs Ray Leonard was not a "big" fight because they were both young.

Hopkins and Roy fought at 20 or so fights into their young careers, and are both all time greats.

It was a significant fight in retrospect.

You're the same idiot who can't tell how good Ray Robinson is because you can't watch black and white film.

Put down the bong, and grow up. His name is Hopkins. Your insistance at insulting him everytime you mention him as well as slighiting him in your avatar shows what a moron you are.

[Run]

I don't think Tarver is a great fighter, and that fight to me was just a fight Jones had trouble with because of his age and the weight loss.

I agree. I think Tarver is a very good fighter....but by no means great. Jone's knockout loss was due to his weight issues as you mentioned. He clearly outclassed him in the first fight. I scored it 8 rounds to 4 for Roy and he was caught with a lucky punch the second time around.

Lucky punches happen. (Rahman, McCall, Tszyu, etc.)



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[Bozo_no no]

I agree. I think Tarver is a very good fighter....but by no means great. Jone's knockout loss was due to his weight issues as you mentioned. He clearly outclassed him in the first fight. I scored it 8 rounds to 4 for Roy and he was caught with a lucky punch the second time around.

Lucky punches happen. (Rahman, McCall, Tszyu, etc.)

I had it 8 - 4 as well with Roy sealing it in rounds 11 and 12.

[Easy-E]

I agree. I think Tarver is a very good fighter....but by no means great. Jone's knockout loss was due to his weight issues as you mentioned. He clearly outclassed him in the first fight. I scored it 8 rounds to 4 for Roy and he was caught with a lucky punch the second time around.

Lucky punches happen. (Rahman, McCall, Tszyu, etc.)

most people believed tarver defeated jones in the first fight, not very clear at all.

pardon my ignorance of zoo, who was his lucky punch against?

[Run]

pardon my ignorance of zoo, who was his lucky punch against?

Zab Super Judah.



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[The Troll]

I definitely think Jones won the first Tarver fight handily. Tarver did ok, but he did not keep up with his agression he allowed Jones to steal too many rounds. If he would have kept up a steady agression he would have won. It is what he needs to do in the 3rd fight if he hopes to win. But I dont have alot of faith in Tarver's stamina.

[The Troll]

Zab Super Judah.

You cannot classify every one punch knockout as "lucky" that is ridiculous. You have to give guys credit who can punch there credit, and guys who cannot takes punches so well credit for that. There is no "luck" involvment in it.

Lennox Lewis was knocked out x2 end of
Zab Judah was knocked out end of

You cannot take credit away from punchers. Or give credit to guys who cannot take the big punches, it is ridiculous.