Canelo's Age Should no Longer be an Excuse.

[el malo]

=gauze;1http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=101931790193179]maybe they should raise the age requirement to fight professional. he's just a kid being forced to fight in the pros

A kid that wants to be the next ALI is being forced to fight in the pros? Ah **** it let him go back and fight 300 amatuer fights and come back a few years later to see how much better he's going to get.

[dj Ramos]

canelo looks good without a amatuer career so does wv2.


why? ill take a guy with 40 pro fights over a guy with 300 amatuer fights(wearing head gear) any day.

You are clearly dont understand the significance of an amatuer record. A fighter with a great amatuer background will usually be fighting world class fighters by his 22-27 pro fight.

Obviously canelo is about to hit 40s and still isnt ready for world class opponents.

If i had to invest money on who i would pick to manage ill take the kid with the outstanding amatuer record.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

The only thing i question about him is his heart and chin. Canelo looks great now but he can always end up being another Victor Ortiz.

Really? ****, the best thing he has shown is his heart....

canelo looks good without a amatuer career so does wv2.


why? ill take a guy with 40 pro fights over a guy with 300 amatuer fights(wearing head gear) any day.

That's why it's so impressive what he's doing. Amateur experience is a good thing no matter how you look at it. And there's a ton of difference between amateur and pro man, a TON.

[Bierstadt]

How did it turn out for Barrera? He got his belt at 20 and didn't step up until a year later?

I don't understand what you mean. Barrera didn't fight exactly top tier opposition (they were damn better than average though) following his title acquisition, yes, but does that make it okay for Alvarez to do the same?

I am tired of comparisons being made. Just because everyone's wrong, the person who agrees with them is not necessarily right.

[jrosales13]

HE didn't go after anything.....it was offered to him. Your arguing in circles because what you want will not happen. Why would GBP put him in there with someone that can stop his momentum right now?

He needs more time, this belt means less than the belt I have on right now and I bought mine at the army surplus store....

He's a money maker, he will be showcased. It shocks me you guys don't understand this.

The difference is, they aren't showcasing a bum, he's good...how good? That's yet to be seen but we won't find out in his next fight.

He's in charge of his team, he's the head of his team. His team went after the title, which falls under Canelo and there is where "he went after the title" comes from.

I understand if GBP can showcase him in front of HBO all they want. FIne, OK ...And, I will criticize it all I want as well.

[chiguy91]

We all know he's just twenty years old, but that goes out the window once you have a belt. That's it, you've made the conscious decision to challenge for a world championship and must now play with the big boys.

I would have no problem if Alvarez continued to fight less than stellar opposition for the next year or so as long as he wasn't taking up HBO airtime. But now that he is in the spotlight, he must deliver.

You can blame Golden Boy for moving Canelo along too quickly, but you can't have the cake and not share it so to speak. Legitimate contenders must now get a crack at that belt. And if GB had no intention of putting Alvarez against top tier opposition they should have never expedited him to this point.

If he wants to be a man, his age can no longer be used as a factor. "oh but he's so young, he needs time to develop..." Sorry, but if anything he's already bigger than some of the guys in the division, both figuratively and literally.

No hate against the guy, he's very talented and has a bright future, but we can no longer give him a break.

"that goes out the window once you have a belt" really? that's why pac grabbed a 154 belt at a CW and vacated faster than you can blink? and berto facing low opposition? belts, especially suliaman's belts, don't have that some prestige as they use to. yeah, of course every fighter wants to be world champ. but in these days, if you have the right people behind you, you can get a fairly easy opportunity at one. tonight was a perfect example.
"taking up HBO airtime" HBO will feel the bruise from not taking cotto/mayorga and pac/mosley. i won't be surprised if they start looking for big draws more, alvarez is one of them.
i don't think anyone, specifically myself, is giving him a break. the people who call him a hypejob or a ginger tomato can who say he'll get blown out by good opposition will call him a bum way before he even hits his prime. i know he is going to lose eventually, im just waiting to see how he will bounce back from it, that is whats gonna determine how great he really is. haters on these forums trying to shutdown a potential boxing star is what is digging this sport into a deeper hole. kid hasn't even hit his mid twenties or taken a bad beating, how the hell do we know he sucks already? by his early performances. yeah, look at the poster boy of this sport now, manny ****in pacquiao. im pretty sure all these people didn't think he would be an ATG getting KO'ed early in his career.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

He's in charge of his team, he's the head of his team. His team went after the title, which falls under Canelo and there is where "he went after the title" comes from.

I understand if GBP can showcase him in front of HBO all they want. FIne, OK ...And, I will criticize it all I want as well.

Bro, he's a 20 year old fighter. The only thing he's in charge of is showing up to the gym and doing the work of a fighter.

He will fight and do what those people around him tell him to do.....come on man, you serious? hahaha

[SCtrojansbaby]

I don't understand what you mean. Barrera didn't fight exactly top tier opposition (they were damn better than average though) following his title acquisition yes, but does that make it okay for Alvarez to do the same?

I am tired of comparisons being made. Just because everyone's wrong, the person who agrees with them is necessarily right.

YES it does make it ok that is how you promote. With Barrera it paid off big time as you saw him become one of the top 10 fighters of the past 20 years go on to become an all time great. Unlike Vargas who got thrown to the wolves too early and was shot before he turned 25

[jrosales13]

canelo looks good without a amatuer career so does wv2.

Another guy, who has won the title and has fought terrible opponents since winning the title.

Deserves all the criticism he gets.

Again, Canelo can go the WV2 and Berto route which will get tons of criticism

or go the Oscar De la Hoya.

Him and his team choice.

All I know is that the age is not an excuse anymore.

[dj Ramos]

Really? ****, the best thing he has shown is his heart....



That's why it's so impressive what he's doing. Amateur experience is a good thing no matter how you look at it. And there's a ton of difference between amateur and pro man, a TON.

Hes shown it yes, but i question it when he gets in deep waters like how Ortiz was against Maidana.

If i remember correctly Jose Cotto hurt Alvrez like in round 2, Alvarez jumped back quick but it wasnt so bad for him cause Jose Cotto wasnt a dog.

But Alvarez is just really great right now. Theres nothing to take away from him. He's only 20, no amatuer background, and is showing great technique.