Canelo's Age Should no Longer be an Excuse.

[Bierstadt]

I don't have the mind of a 12 year old like most here who just want to troll, so I don't waste my time with not being civil.

I would agree with you but there is a bit of irony that you are putting some sort of credence to this belt, it means nothing. Boxing has a million belts and they hand them out like candy at a fair, shouldn't be surprising to you or anyone else.

DLH isn't greedy, he's a promoter and doing what promoters do. Hatton isn't a great fighter but he is tough and wasn't something easy for Canelo. King and Arum have done 1000X worse for 1000x longer.

Now Suleiman is greedy, corrupt and a scumbag that has ruined the WBC.

The problem with the WBC belt is that is has historically been one of the most coveted and oldest titles out there. The fact that it is being given out like candy as you say, is sadly true and disheartening to me.

It may be unfair to treat this young kid so harshly, but why don't we as fans start holding title-winners responsible to their inherited duties? If you have a title, it's not just a shiny belt but comes with certain obligations that you must fulfill in order to keep said shiny belt and the assumed prestige (and money) that comes with it.
This should starts somewhere and sometime. And is by no means limited to just Canelo, but everyone who has a belt right now. If fans don't take the sport's credence back than it will crumble at the hands of people like Suleiman.

As another poster has pointed out, if you aren't ready, don't challenge for a title. And that applies to anyone, Alvarez is just used as a very recent example.

[dj Ramos]

There's nothing wrong with being proud. Let's forget the corruptness of boxing and take a look at the kids performance.

I liked what I saw from him, he's strong, decent speed, moves well, very good combo puncher, has heart and is a very good prospect to be elite one day.

He needs to be less of a macho man and get better defensively but he has time for that.

I agree.

Fuck the belt.

From what i saw he should improve on his defense and head movement mostly. He has decent speed for the fighters hes going against. To me he wil benefit a lot if he can try and get a bit faster with his punches.

His power is pretty good, HBO were going overboard with it but he has power. His jab and left hook were great. His combinations were really really good, it impressed me a lot cause hes not that fast and its usually the fast fighters that throw large combinations like that.

He has really great skills for his age and has the tools to make it very far.

The only thing i question about him is his heart and chin. Canelo looks great now but he can always end up being another Victor Ortiz.

[SCtrojansbaby]

The problem with the WBC belt is that is has historically been one of the most coveted and oldest titles out there. The fact that it is being given out like candy as you say, is sadly true and disheartening to me.

It may be unfair to treat this young kid so harshly, but why don't we as fans start holding title-winners responsible to their inherited duties? If you have a title, it's not just a shiny belt but comes with certain obligations that you must fulfill in order to keep said shiny belt and the assumed prestige (and money) that comes with it.
This should starts somewhere and sometime. And is by no means limited to just Canelo, but everyone who has a belt right now. If fans don't take the sport's credence back than it will crumble at the hands of people like Suleiman.

As another poster has pointed out, if you aren't ready, don't challenge for a title. And that applies to anyone, Alvarez is just used as a very recent example.

How did it turn out for Barrera? He got his belt at 20 and didn't step up until a year later?

[el malo]

You never make up for that....ever. Having an extensive amateur career is very important and something you can't make up.

canelo looks good without a amatuer career so does wv2.

Please just stop.

why? ill take a guy with 40 pro fights over a guy with 300 amatuer fights(wearing head gear) any day.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I don't think anybody is saying he should fight elites, I know I haven't...

What people are saying is now that he's a title holder he needs to fight contenders. Like all the fighters you named did(except for Berto)

It baffles me that he's a title holder now and people are saying "no no no he shouldn't fight contenders because he's only 20" I'm sorry he's age is not an excuse anymore.

Do I expect Alvarez to fight Floyd, Pac, Martinez, or Cotto next? No I do not. And, I will not hold it against him nor bash him if he doesn't. But, do I expect him to fight other contenders like fellow title holder K9, Rhodes? Vanes? Kirkland, Angulo, Trout, Foreman, Powell? You bet your ass I do. If he's not ready for these type of caliber fighters. Then they should not have gone after the title simple as that.

I don't mind that he went after the title, I'm OK with it. But, now that he's the title holder I expect him to fight these type of opponents. These are the type of opponents that the guys you mentioned(funny none of them were Mexican) fought after winning titles. Except for Berto. And, again if I didn't give Berto a pass I'm not going to give Canelo a pass.

HE didn't go after anything.....it was offered to him. Your arguing in circles because what you want will not happen. Why would GBP put him in there with someone that can stop his momentum right now?

He needs more time, this belt means less than the belt I have on right now and I bought mine at the army surplus store....

He's a money maker, he will be showcased. It shocks me you guys don't understand this.

The difference is, they aren't showcasing a bum, he's good...how good? That's yet to be seen but we won't find out in his next fight.

[gauze]

maybe they should raise the age requirement to fight professional. he's just a kid being forced to fight in the pros

[Guest]

maybe they should raise the age requirement to fight professional. he's just a kid being forced to fight in the pros

I remember reading yesterday on here a guy that started his career at age 10.

I think he retired by the time he was Canelo's age.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

The problem with the WBC belt is that is has historically been one of the most coveted and oldest titles out there. The fact that it is being given out like candy as you say, is sadly true and disheartening to me.

It may be unfair to treat this young kid so harshly, but why don't we as fans start holding title-winners responsible to their inherited duties? If you have a title, it's not just a shiny belt but comes with certain obligations that you must fulfill in order to keep said shiny belt and the assumed prestige (and money) that comes with it.
This should starts somewhere and sometime. And is by no means limited to just Canelo, but everyone who has a belt right now. If fans don't take the sport's credence back than it will crumble at the hands of people like Suleiman.

As another poster has pointed out, if you aren't ready, don't challenge for a title. And that applies to anyone, Alvarez is just used as a very recent example.

I applaud you for still having faith in boxing and it's belts. It's kind of naive of you but I commend you for it.

WBC, IBF, WBO, WBA DON'T MEAN ****.................The sport is about making money, that's why the ring belt was getting more respect than any of those.

They rank the way they want to, set matchups the way they want to and promote who is going to make the most money. Long are the days of prestige and dignity, that **** was gone in the 70's.

What's more important is we have a good fighter in our hands, a good young, strong kid that has the will and heart to go all the way.

Is he the next Roberto Duran? I doubt it but let's at least give it some time before we argue that he should be fighting Pacquaio or even Angulo next.

[jrosales13]

You knew he had pillows damn you.

I thought for sure Hatton was a goner.

I was worried, The O/U was 9 and half rounds, and Hatton got hurt early and then suffered a cut early. I thought for sure they were going to stop. I was begging Hatton to run

And to the topic, though I know it's business as usual for the WBC, I think we should always rail against bs belts, and mismatches esp for titles and on tv. We should always rail on Jose Sulaiman simply because he is Jose Sulaiman.


If all titles and rankings become meaningless, it just cheapens the sport more and more.

I don't get the cheap shots at Moreno. He's wanted to and has fought everyone he can, Sidorenko in Germany to win his belt, he was forced to fight Cermeno in Venezuela, he wants to fight everyone- he is on board for fighting Donaire too.

There is 2 reasons why there are cheap shots going at Moreno.

1. Because, they're not familiar with his career, and when they one of his opponents with a name that they can not spell or pronounce then they automatically dismiss him as a top fighter.

2. It was more of a cheap shot going at me then Moreno. Since I'm talking about a Mexican fighter in an not so positive way(Which I don't think I am), some feel they need to go and talk about Tito and Moreno since I think highly of them. As a way to get to me...

Without ratings a guy like that gets screwed over and over.

We see it all the time but we should always rail against this.

I agree.

[jrosales13]

I remember reading yesterday on here a guy that started his career at age 10.

I think he retired by the time he was Canelo's age.

You had a lot, Freddie Steele started his career at the age of 13 at Flyweight and then became one of the most underrated great MW of all time.