Would the klitchko's last in the 70s?

[hweightblogger]

I did that? I am just raising questions about what the old timers could really do and how because of their size the K-bros would have advantages and make some fighters who looked really great and had great ko%s against smaller guys appear as if they would belong in a different weight class as them(because they would)

The MAIN reason why people think the "Golden Age" was great is because SOVIET BLOC fighters WERE FORBIDDEN to compete professionally.

When you check Olympics (where the Soviet Bloc was allowed to compete) of the last 50 years (since 1960) then the USA won only 2 times (1964 Frazier, 1968 Foreman) at (super)heavyweight. In 1960 (when The Clay) took part Italy won the gold medal.

Oh, wait the USA won a third time: 1984. Why? Because the Soviet Bloc boycotted the Games.

The "American reserve" is where the illusion of American greatness mainly comes from.

[-The Game-]

He was easily beating Byrd, no way Byrd won more than two rounds, "problems" sure......

Him quitting had nothing to do with Byrd at all it could have been any nameless HW in their, he had a shoulder injury in a fight he was dominating.

That shows a lack of heart though.....if Mayweather had pulled that same move..everyone would be laughing at him and calling him a coward (they still do, mind).....IIRC Mayweather also had a serious injury in one of his fights and had to take a knee he was in that much pain...but like A TRUE CHAMP...he continued.......same couldnt be said about Vitaly......

[Schmerzen]

You OBVIOUSLY mainly watched "YouTube highlight videos" of The Clay.

The Clay is one of the worst punch eaters ever. Eats even the slowest jabs. No reflexes whatsoever (except at the beginning of his career).


Ali's shoe shine combos are worthless. Always were.

0:29-0:40
it was good enough to make liston step back, who was undefeated for nearly 10years..

[cupocity303]

ugh, why do I bother.

first of all, Ali was prime around '67. the Wepner fight was in '75.

Vitali struggled to hit Chris Byrd,


its OK if you think that Vitali would beat Foreman since its a 'fantasy fight', but the way you put down ATGs is just wrong.

1. Ahh so you nitpick which year Ali was in his prime, but not with Vitali right? It's irrelevant when his complete prime was? If ALi wasn't prime till 67, then Vitali wasn't prime till post-Lewis Experience.

Sidenote: Young ALi struggled against a bum before the first Liston fight.


2. Wrong to put down ATG's? But it's ok to put down a Heavyweight ATG? Which Wlad is, if not Vitali. If not by his sheer dominance fight after fight, or the KO percentage, then for the amount of title defences VS Top 10 Contenders.

[Spray_resistant]

That shows a lack of heart though.....if Mayweather had pulled that same move..everyone would be laughing at him and calling him a coward (they still do, mind).....IIRC Mayweather also had a serious injury in one of his fights and had to take a knee he was in that much pain...but like A TRUE CHAMP...he continued.......same couldnt be said about Vitaly......

I think he showed plenty of heart in the Lewis fight and redeemed himself, don't know why he didn't just run out the clock against Byrd and get a not so impressive decision win, its not like there was any chance of Byrd actually stopping him or even knocking him down.

Maybe he didn't think it would be made such a big deal of down the road after he had better performances who knows I am not in VK's head.

[cupocity303]

What other big fights? he also took a break for about half this decade. Wlad apart from his losses to basically bums got knocked down by Peter 3 times so his chin is as weak as f uck. So apart from the times they either got outclassed or KTFO yeah we have nothing to go on.

I knew you were not very objective, this is horrible.

So they can't win with a nitwit like you, one way or the other.

They dominate fighters for years, no credit.

They lose a fight, No Credit.

Crawl back to your cave now, mutant.

[hweightblogger]

it was good enough to make liston step back, who was undefeated for nearly 10years..

I complain about "opinions based on YouTube snippets" and as an answer you post a 2 minute YouTube snippet.

And Ali's windmakers were useless in this fight, too. Liston retired because of a broken shoulder not because of "explosive combos".

The judges had no clue how to score Ali's disgusting running away and they scored it 56-58, 58-56 and 57-57. In my view Ali lost every round before Liston retired.

[cklmaced]

The MAIN reason why people think the "Golden Age" was great is because SOVIET BLOC fighters WERE FORBIDDEN to compete professionally.

When you check Olympics of the last 50 years (since 1960) then the USA won only 2 times (1964 Frazier, 1968 Foreman). In 1960 (when The Clay) took part Italy won the gold medal.

Oh, wait the USA won a third time: 1984. Why? Because the Soviet Bloc boycotted the Games.

The "American reserve" is where the illusion of American greatness mainly comes from.

Yeah cos we all know the Soviet Bloc play fair. That is why Vitali has a gold medal in the Olympics right?

[cupocity303]

Wlad is a good champion no doubt, Vitali has never been champ and the reason he hasn't struggled much since a fat, past prime, unmotivated Lennox is because he hasn't fought anyone as near as good as him, he fought one decent HW after that, who took the fight on a weeks notice (if I'm not mistaken) and gave him problems and then he outright quit.

I disagree with your premise.

The reason you say all this, is because you're working under the basis that because The Klitscho's dominate fighters, it must mean that they're not that good. It couldn't just be that The Klitscho's are just that great.

On the other hand, when Ali struggles against some fighter, you don't say that the opponent sucks, you elevate him to Greatness status. I.E. having a competitive fight vs Ali = It must mean the opponent was just that great OR Ali was not at his best/past his prime.

It's a common mental block that people can't even comprehend about themselves, when they're so Historically biased.

[RubenSonny]

He was easily beating Byrd, no way Byrd won more than two rounds, "problems" sure......

Him quitting had nothing to do with Byrd at all it could have been any nameless HW in there, he had a shoulder injury in a fight he was dominating.

I never said Byrd was winning but he gave him problems and making him hit air, he wasn't dominating at all, and Vitali quit which surely counts against him and says a lot about his mentality.