Would the klitchko's last in the 70s?

[hweightblogger]

Corrie Sanders the strongest southpaw of all time and then Steelhammer goes on to discredit Ernie Shavers. Does Steelhammer realize that Shavers was the strongest puncher of all time?

Shavers was nothing but a specialist in KOing cruisers.
Shavers would be nothing but a featherfist nowadays as you can see by the fact that his KOratio against genuine heavyweight (215+ lbs) is 47% (11 KOs in 23 fights).

20 (TWENTY!) opponents of Klitschko have a better KOratio.

You have been brainwashed by the Mythology Mill of the 1970ies which was excellent in producing NAMES and GRANDIOSITIES.

[hweightblogger]

foreman was very raw when he was young and won by sheer strength..

He not only won by sheer strength. He won mainly by OUTWEIGHING (as opposed to Wlad) his opponents. He wouldn't outweigh Wlad though. Prime Foreman (who boxed at 215 lbs, median weight 217 lbs) would be one of the lightest opponents Wlad has ever faced.

Prime Foreman would be bottom-3 lightest opponent Vitali ever faced.

[Uturn]

Half of Klitschkos' OPPONENTS would have ruled the 1970ies, let alone the Klitschkos themselves.

NO just NO. I've read some garbage in my life, but with a statement being thrown out like this (like it's meaningful) is beyond belief. You're living in a fantasy world if you think opponents such as Peters, Arreola, Chagaev, would have been anything of note in the 70's.

There was no one that would be REMOTELY competitive against the Klitschkos. The only one who has slight chances is George Foreman (the best fighter of the 70ies) and prime Foreman would be in the BOTTOM-3 LIGHTEST opponents Vitali Klitschko has ever faced.

Please. Klitschko have fought one dimensional punch bags who stand in front of them for the best part of 12 rounds. They have NEVER fought someone who is athletic and explosive, that use angles, and have good footwork. The majority of they're opponents are tailor made for them. Besides, it's no secret the current era is a complete shambles, with half of them failing to get in good shape. Quit dismissing how bad the current HW division is.

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[Walt Liquor]

How do you see Frazier, Ali, foreman and even norton winning?


Yeah lennox hit him with some good ones!

How do you see the three you named beating vitali?

I only mentioned two that I would favor over vitali, not 3.

Frazier- Frazier I would favor because he's fast and slick enough to stay inside of vit's big bombs and he would be the only guy I think would be able to put it on vit's body like that. I think the only way to ko or tko vit it by chopping the tree. Those shots he took vs lennox have me convinced. Joe would be in the pocket all night and outwork vit.

Ali I would favor to win a decision. As high as vit's boxing iq is, alis is higher and I think Ali could/would be almost impossible for vit to find cuz Ali would be on his bike, then slippng inside and flurrying. Then back on his bike. I think he'd find a way to decision vit.

[hweightblogger]

They would be contenders, I think either brother would find it difficult to win a belt, the competition was so thick you had to be an exceptional fighter to even get a title shot.

Don't invent stuff. Any idiot could get a shot.

Just the fact alone that Joe Frazier (a half-blind featherfisted dwarf) fought against Dave Zyglewicz for the world title exposes your fairy-tales.

And do I need to remind everyone that a guy with Parkinson (Ali) fought a 6-0 bum (Spinks) for the UNIFIED heavyweight world title?

That was the GOLDEN AGE of heavyweights.

The only ones WHO WERE FORBIDDEN to compete professionally were Soviet Bloc boxers.

[cklmaced]

Why is everyone making such a big deal about weight. They had to do 15 rounds so obviously they wouldn't weigh as much as fighters do now. Im sure if they had to most heavyweights could put on about a stone without losing too much skill.

P.S Could people stop claiming that the K bros are the best HWs of all time it makes you sound ******ed.

[hweightblogger]

Why is everyone making such a big deal about weight. They had to do 15 rounds so obviously they wouldn't weigh as much as fighters do now.

What a bizarre logic. Boxers who weigh so little like the boxers back then are called CRUISERS. And cruisers don't have to go 15 rounds nowadays. Weight has nothing to do with how many rounds you go.

[hweightblogger]

First of all the 70's Ali wasnt difficult to hit at all, he took more punches against fat YMCA journeyman Chuck Wepner than Vitali has in his entire come back. Seriously, what a joke. I love the super Ali.

Die Antwoord says it like it is. Except for a few cruiser fights at the beginning of his career the greatest Clay had no reflexes. ZERO. Clay must be one of the easiest to hit boxers I have ever seen ("Mo'hammered Ali").

Vitali wouldnt be intimidated, wouldnt fight ******, he'd stand in front of Ali, completely unafraid of his power

Unafraid doesn't put it: Of the 78 heavyweight world champs that lived to date the greatest Clay is one of the most featherfisted, and I am already generous because a few of his KOs weren't valid floorings. There is utterly no threat emanating unless you are really unlucky.

he'd keep his range, back away from his punches, he fights taller than any fighter in history, and Ali would be forced to chase Ali and 70's Ali was not a chaser. Vitali loves fighting off the back foot and he would wear Ali out, throw more punches, and do tons more damage. He'd probably win by easy TKO in round 8 or so.

I disagree. Either it would be TKO6 or Clay would get disqualified for his dirty tactics ("Dirty Clay") for example for his typical *********ic threats in the ring, neck-grabbing and downpushing etc etc...

Anyone who sees it any other way is just a nostalgic person who talks about a mythical Ali who had the chin of Ali against Foreman, the speed of Ali against Liston, power that he never had etc...

Exactly. It's the Ali mind-melt with the speed of Cruiser Clay and the chin of Ali Whaley.

Frazier...stfu, if you think that Frazier would be any problem for Vitali you dont know boxing. See frazier vs foreman...any second from their fights...all you need to know.

^THIS^

Anyone who claims Frazier (who is smaller than Chris Byrd, featherfistier than Byrd and less reachy than Byrd AND IS BLIND ON HIS LEFT EYE) has chances to KO the Klitschkos needs a severe reality readjustment.

That Frazier was world champ in the 1970s is a proof of the terrible state of that era.

Foreman put Frazier where Frazier belongs.

Norton's crab wouldnt affect Vitali one bit.

Even worse. The 3 times Norton faced a punchers he was schooled like a schoolboy: KO1 (Cooney), KO1 (Shavers), KO2 (Foreman).

Again, Norton (just like Frazier) would be a proof of how the division sucks.

Im not going to argue Wlad, because I think he beats all of these guys as well, but people will argue he has no chin

The "glass jaw of Wlad" is another myth because everyone knows that neither Ross nor Brewster were chin issues. Even if you think that Sanders-Wlad was a chin issue (and not an anvil issue) then the fact remains that Wlad has only been KOed once in 50+ superheavyweight fights. So I wouldn't diminish Wlad's 70ies chances a lot due to some chin issue.

[prinzemanspopa]

back then you wouldn't be able to avoid bad style match ups as easily as you can now,

This isn't true at all.Cherry Pickin' Joe Frazier spent his entire career avoiding punchers.He was finally forced to fight one,but he managed to avoid the rest of them.



And you're not implying that Wlad has avoided certain "style match ups",are you?

[hweightblogger]

Vitali struggled to hit Chris Byrd, and even got hit flush a few times by him. Yes, even before he injured himself, it was happening in the early rounds. and you think that Vitali would TKO him in 8? come on man. I dont think even you would suggest that Chris Byrd was better than Ali.

Chris Byrd's flexo-escapism is definitely better than Ali's.

Vitali was only about an inch taller than Cooney. yes, I know, Vitali is not Cooney. but Foreman was also 40, and he dealt with the height differential like it didnt even exist.

Because most of the time Foreman II WAS INDEED TALLER than his opponents.

And Foreman II OUTWEIGHED his opponents in 100% of his fights.

In fact of Foreman outweighed his opponents 72 times and was outweighed 8 times in his entire career. That is why his punches looked so lethal.

'arm punches', come on. The guy hit like a truck!

And yet Vitali's KOperformance is better than Foreman's.

ESPECIALLY when you analyze how Foreman performed against comparable opponents (= 215+ lbs, non-bummy):

Vitali Klitschko needs 8.3 rounds per KO
Foreman: 12.0
Wlad: 6.2
Clay: 29.6

In other words: Clay is abysmal, but interestingly Wlad KOs somewhat comparable opponents twice as fast as Foreman.

go look how he puts huge dents in large heavybags. and he hurt Holyfield at 40 something almost as much as a prime Lewis did, if you respect Lewis' power.

Evan Fields is not comparable to Vitali because Fields' power is also amongst the weakest of all heavyweight champs, while Vitali's is amongst the highest.

and incidently, Vitali was definitely hurt against Sanders(and Lewis), although Sanders is a hard puncher and Vitali weathered the storm against him well.

Sanders is also non-comparable due to stance, speed and style.

you know what, I might believe the whole 'today's fighters are greater than the 70s' thing, except for that fact that a 45 year old George Foreman became lineal champ and then beat a future titleholder in the 2000s at 48. FOURTY EIGHT.

1) It was a lucky punch against a featherfist. That featherfist (Moorer) wobbled Foreman by the way.
2) Foreman is ATG. That's why he always has a chance.