What is the difference how cotto won his first title from canelo?

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Cotto never fought a former undisputed welterweight champion before he got a title shot. I know that doesn't mean much since it was Baldomir but still the overwhelming majority of contenders get moved into position for a title shot in almost the exact same way Alverez is.

who cares if he didn't fight a "former undispueted champion" what matters is that they both did what they had to do that is get ranked to fight for the title, i don't see the big deal with this, why are vacant titles such a big deal, thats what they're there for to be won right?

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I have no prob with catch weight fights as long as they aren't for a title. If you want to fight for a division's title then fight at the limit. If not then go fight for that joke of a belt called "The WBC Diamond Belt"

You still haven't explained why it's a bad thing? There is no rules anywhere saying that title fights have to be held at the full weight limit for a division.


I think it's funny that this is the typical knee jerk reaction to catchweight fights yet when I ask someone to rationalize why it;s a bad thing people can't seem to answer the question.

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And neither of them are world beaters no matter how you spin it. Seriously man no matter how much you try you cant polish a ***ing turd!!!

Kelson Pinto deserved the title shot. He won the WBO NABO lightwelterweight belt so he was a legitimate contender. Hatton hasn't done **** at 154.

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It's not Canelo does not deserve this shot, it's that he is fighting Hatton.

best post in this entire thread

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who cares if he didn't fight a "former undispueted champion" what matters is that they both did what they had to do that is get ranked to fight for the title, i don't see the big deal with this, why are vacant titles such a big deal, thats what they're there for to be won right?

by the two highest ranked contenders...

the way the wbc bypassed rhodes (twice now) and matirosyan among others is disgraceful

wouldve loved to see alvarez-matirosyan too

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who cares if he didn't fight a "former undispueted champion" what matters is that they both did what they had to do that is get ranked to fight for the title, i don't see the big deal with this, why are vacant titles such a big deal, thats what they're there for to be won right?

Im not arguing with you, I agree with everything you said here.

[figzuki]

You still haven't explained why it's a bad thing? There is no rules anywhere saying that title fights have to be held at the full weight limit for a division.


I think it's funny that this is the typical knee jerk reaction to catchweight fights yet when I ask someone to rationalize why it;s a bad thing people can't seem to answer the question.

well the way i see it is that lets say they have been fighting at 154, and they change it to a catchweight fight at 150, they have to change a lot to make that weight and get adjusted IMO, thats like a whole weight class (lower divisions) (which most guys have to come up through anyway) do ya'll think it plays mentally on fighters?

[Rip Chudd]

You still haven't explained why it's a bad thing? There is no rules anywhere saying that title fights have to be held at the full weight limit for a division.


I think it's funny that this is the typical knee jerk reaction to catchweight fights yet when I ask someone to rationalize why it;s a bad thing people can't seem to answer the question.

In my opinion it cheapens the title. It says that you can't win it like everyone else has. If both fighters agree to a catch weight then fine. But when you put a title on the line especially in a time when titles are starting to become so watered down it's laughable, then it cheapens the whole title winning experience IMO. You see how little respect is given to titles now. Like I said, no prob with a catch weight fights at all, just not for a title. Your opinion may differ, but this is how i view it.

[gauze]

You still haven't explained why it's a bad thing? There is no rules anywhere saying that title fights have to be held at the full weight limit for a division.


I think it's funny that this is the typical knee jerk reaction to catchweight fights yet when I ask someone to rationalize why it;s a bad thing people can't seem to answer the question.

how many divisions do we need? 17 or whatever it is now isnt enough?

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Kelson Pinto deserved the title shot. He won the WBO NABO lightwelterweight belt so he was a legitimate contender. Hatton hasn't done **** at 154.

And in the end neither fighters were world beaters no matter how you spin it. Not only is the WBC title a meaningless title but bringing up minor titles to justify yourself is even dumber.

If thats the case then once again I bring up Baldomir! Former Undisputed world champion!! He didn't just win some vacant title my friend!