Comments Thread For: Mosley Rips Mayweather For Not Fighting Pacquiao

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Well then is who you believe. Is another he said/she said right? Which is no fact at all. Roach said is not true or what have you.

And, even if Roach said it. It doesn't clarify what type of testing he's talking about.

And, it was never confirmed if Pac team really did try to force it and then backed out when Mosley said only if Pac did it. None of that was ever confirmed. It was just a bunch of assumptions, speculation, and hearsay. Not actually facts...

And, I'm not saying it didn't happen. It could of very well went down like that. But, then again it could of been something totally different then what people took it as.

So your saying Jeff, Roger and the reporter is lying against Roach and Pac? They know a hell of a lot more than we do. The reporter said that Roach said it. It's right there in my post. Looks like your trying to be blind to the facts. Roach said he would insists on drug testing for Mosley because he has been caught using roids but then after Roach is confronted about the story and whether he said it, he doesn't say he didn't say it. Like he said prior to the article but then he says "Normal Testing" That shows that he said it. Right or wrong?

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Yo man. I see what you doing and it is lame. Trying to sound smarter by flipping the things that I am saying to fit support your point.

What am I flipping.

What you said was that the version of Castillo that fought Corrales would beat the version of JMM that fought Pac...That's what you said right?

What exactly did I flip?

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In 2002? He didn't but that's not what you were talking about. You're changing the goal post again.

At first you were talking about the version of Castillo that fought Corrales compared to the version of JMM that fought Pac. Now you're changing the goal post by comparing both 2002 version of each other. But, if it helps you.



Your point is that the version of Castillo that fought Corrales could beat the version of JMM that fought Pac...Correct that is your point no? If I'm mistaken please correct me. My point is that both were 3 division apart so it would depend on what weight-class they fought in no?



Because, you're as equally as smart as he is.



No you were not. You were talking about the 2005 version of Castillo at 130. You want to go back a few pages to see?



Against who man? An old Paez?



When was Castillo ever considered dangerous during his time at 130? GTFOH man.



Actually you said a few pages back that you would favor the 04/05 Castillo to beat JMM at 130. Which is asinine considering Castillo couldn't make 130 anymore during that time frame.



Well duh, JMM would had to move up 2 weight-classes to fight in Castillo first weight-class FFS's.

What is your point to even mention Castillo would beat JMM at 135? That Castillo is somewhat a better fighter than JMM? really you think so P4P? C'mon either you're overrated Castillo or underrating JMM or both.

In 2002, at 130, who did Marquez fight that was notable before the Pacquiao fight in 2004? After the first Pac fight JMM went on to lose to Chris John. Your trying to say that Castillo was fighting no elite opponents at 130 but so was Marquez before Pac. Again, I said that Castillo wouldn't move down and fight Marquez because he was a more familiar name in 2004/05 than Marquez and to deny that woold clearly show that your just trying to debate me when you are wrong.

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So your saying Jeff, Roger and the reporter is lying against Roach and Pac? They know a hell of a lot more than we do. The reporter said that Roach said it. It's right there in my post. Looks like your trying to be blind to the facts. Roach said he would insists on drug testing for Mosley because he has been caught using roids but then after Roach is confronted about the story and whether he said it, he doesn't say he didn't say it. Like he said prior to the article but then he says "Normal Testing" That shows that he said it. Right or wrong?

One, I never said that either Jeff or Roger were lying or not. I question how much would they truly know about negotiations that they're not involved in anyway. How would they know what was exactly discuss? They're going by what was reported and assuming and speculating.

Not even saying the reporter is lying either. In that last paragrap of my post, that I guess you didn't read, I clearly said "I'm not saying it didn't happen. It could of very well went down like that." That is what I typed...I'm not calling anybody a liar.

It could be right or it could be wrong. It depends on what context and what kind of drug testing Roach was talking about. There was never any mention about going beyond the testing that is required. Look at the quote it never mentioned that.

There is no reliable info that Pac team demanded and Shane to take it and then backtracked once Shane said only if Pac did...None that I have read so far anyhow. That's what I'm saying that everything is assumption and speculation on what was said, what was not, what was meant, what was demanded etc etc....

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In 2002, at 130, who did Marquez fight that was notable before the Pacquiao fight in 2004? After the first Pac fight JMM went on to lose to Chris John. Your trying to say that Castillo was fighting no elite opponents at 130 but so was Marquez before Pac. Again, I said that Castillo wouldn't move down and fight Marquez because he was a more familiar name in 2004/05 than Marquez and to deny that woold clearly show that your just trying to debate me when you are wrong.

I would say between 2002 and the Pac fight beating the likes of Medina and Gainer>beating an old Paez at 130. Would you disagree with that?

And, no in 2004-2005 Castillo was not a more familiar name than JMM was at 2004-2005...He just wasn't man.

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What am I flipping.

What you said was that the version of Castillo that fought Corrales would beat the version of JMM that fought Pac...That's what you said right?

What exactly did I flip?

Listen man, stop trying to sound intelligent because you know what I said. And yes! I do believe the version of Castillo that fought Corrales would beat the JMM version that fought Pac if the fight was at 135. That was my whole point from the jump before you came in and starting talking about JMM would beat CAstillo at 130 when Castillo had already moved up in weight and you know damn well that Marquez would have to challenge Castillo because Castillo was regarded as a top fighter in the division in his prime and Marquez was not a bigger name than Castillo after Jose fought Mayweather twice and then Diego Corrales.

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I would say between 2002 and the Pac fight beating the likes of Medina and Gainer>beating an old Paez at 130. Would you disagree with that?

And, no in 2004-2005 Castillo was not a more familiar name than JMM was at 2004-2005...He just wasn't man.

Your trying to tell me that the man that some felt beat Floyd Mayweather Jr in the first fight wasn't a bigger name than Juan Manuel Marquez at the time, Then the fight with Diego Corrales? Come on man stop it.

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Listen man, stop trying to sound intelligent because you know what I said. And yes! I do believe the version of Castillo that fought Corrales would beat the JMM version that fought Pac at 135. That was my whole point from the jump before you came in and starting talking about JMM would beat CAstillo at 130 when Castillo had already moved up in weight and you know damn well that Marquez would have to challenge Castillo because Castillo was regarded as a top fighter in the division in his prime and Marquez was not a bigger name than Castillo after Jose fought Mayweather twice and then Diego Corrales.

You're an idiot...And, this is my last response...Because, you're a ****ing moron...Really...

You're talking about a time period when a man was at featherweight jumping 2 weight-class to fight a top LW....Castillo would lose to fucking Clottey at the same time period. But, if they fought at a more natural weight-class for Castillo then Castillo would beat Clottey. So WTF is your point?

Yes, JMM would lose to Castillo at 135 at that time period. Just like Castillo would lost to JMM at the same time period at 126 and 130. And, to say he wouldn't is fucking ridiculous.

To even try to bring up a fantasy fight between a featherweight and a lightweight where the featherweight would have to jump 2 weight-classes to make the fight happen is fucking ridiculous...You trying to make it seem like Castillo is overall the better fighter than JMM. Which is not true at all. He's naturally ithe bigger stronger guy that is it.

And, no around 2005 Castillo was not more known than JMM was around the same time. Not only in that time period was JMM known for Pac but was mixed in with the 3 Mexican musketeers, also with being avoided and ducked by the likes of Hamed.

At the end of 2004 JMM was considered a better P4P fighter than Castillo was by the ring.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_2004

Same thing for the end of 2005

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_2005

JMM was considered a bigger top dawg at the time than Castillo was.

I'm done with you...You too ******...You must be related to Pullcounter

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You're an idiot...And, this is my last response...Because, you're a ****ing moron...Really...

You're talking about a time period when a man was at featherweight jumping 2 weight-class to fight a top LW....Castillo would lose to fucking Clottey at the same time period. But, if they fought at a more natural weight-class for Castillo then Castillo would beat Clottey. So WTF is your point?

Yes, JMM would lose to Castillo at 135 at that time period. Just like Castillo would lost to JMM at the same time period at 126 and 130. And, to say he wouldn't is fucking ridiculous.

To even try to bring up a fantasy fight between a featherweight and a lightweight where the featherweight would have to jump 2 weight-classes to make the fight happen is fucking ridiculous...You trying to make it seem like Castillo is overall the better fighter than JMM. Which is not true at all. He's naturally ithe bigger stronger guy that is it.

And, no around 2005 Castillo was not more known than JMM was around the same time. Not only in that time period was JMM known for Pac but was mixed in with the 3 Mexican musketeers, also with being avoided and ducked by the likes of Hamed.

At the end of 2004 JMM was considered a better P4P fighter than Castillo was by the ring.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_2004

Same thing for the end of 2005

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_2005

JMM was considered a bigger top dawg at the time than Castillo was.

I'm done with you...You too ******...You must be related to Pullcounter

You don't even believe that.

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You're an idiot...And, this is my last response...Because, you're a ****ing moron...Really...

You're talking about a time period when a man was at featherweight jumping 2 weight-class to fight a top LW....Castillo would lose to fucking Clottey at the same time period. But, if they fought at a more natural weight-class for Castillo then Castillo would beat Clottey. So WTF is your point?

Yes, JMM would lose to Castillo at 135 at that time period. Just like Castillo would lost to JMM at the same time period at 126 and 130. And, to say he wouldn't is fucking ridiculous.

To even try to bring up a fantasy fight between a featherweight and a lightweight where the featherweight would have to jump 2 weight-classes to make the fight happen is fucking ridiculous...You trying to make it seem like Castillo is overall the better fighter than JMM. Which is not true at all. He's naturally ithe bigger stronger guy that is it.

And, no around 2005 Castillo was not more known than JMM was around the same time. Not only in that time period was JMM known for Pac but was mixed in with the 3 Mexican musketeers, also with being avoided and ducked by the likes of Hamed.

At the end of 2004 JMM was considered a better P4P fighter than Castillo was by the ring.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_2004

Same thing for the end of 2005

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_2005

JMM was considered a bigger top dawg at the time than Castillo was.

I'm done with you...You too ******...You must be related to Pullcounter

And for the record Douche. I said that Castillo could have lost to Marquez also at 130....

Today, 04:42 PM #218:Why did you even come into the conversation and try to twist up everything to make me look like I have other intentions on proving my point? I'm actually talking about the Castillo that fought Corrales 3 years after he fought Floyd. Marquez would have to move up to fight fight Castillo because Castillo was more commerically known for his first fight with Floyd and the controversy behind it. Where was Marquez back when Castillo fought Floyd? His big break was the first Pacquiao fight. Castillo went head up with Corrales who was known for his KO percentage and went toe to toe with Diego, almost beating him if it wasn't for Corrales spitting his mouth piece out for more time. Marquez would have gotten creamed by Castillo in 05. Castillo was KO'n and TKO'n fighters at 126/130. Marquez could have been a victim too but so could Castillo. My thing is, Castillo already held KO wins over fighters lower than 135 but at the time Marquez didn't even fight at 135. Your acting like Castillo was a bum at 130. He has more KO wins then he has loses at weights lower than 135.

And the second highlight is the truth. Check his stats for yourself. I will not agree that Marquez was a bigger name than Jose Luis Castillo in 2002/04 and 2005. Maybe higher on the P4P list but commercial wise nope. Also I already stated in an earlier post that Castillo would not move down to fight Marquez. That only means that Marquez would have to move up and around that time IN MY OPINION I feel like Marquez would have lost. You are exposing yourself pal because I already covered every base. Stop trying to get at me. Fighters in divisions move up all the time. Most likely Clottey would have beat Castillo like he did Corrales if he jumped up two divisions but so would Marquez. Moving down would not be an option for Castillo and all that is true. Why are you so upset?