Comments Thread For: Mosley Rips Mayweather For Not Fighting Pacquiao

[LeadUppercut]

His fight night weight against Marquez was 147, NOT 126.

His fight night weight against De La Hoya was also 147, NOT 142.

You're usually an intelligent poster so why are you pretending to be too ****** to know what "fight night weight" means?

Fight-night weight ?

I have been involved with boxing for over three decades.

During that time I don't think that I have EVER discussed such an irrelevant issue as..... "fight-night weight".

This post to Top Rank should sum up why fight-night weight should not be mentioned in an honest conversation about boxing.......

It is inept to bring up fight-night weight when discussing boxing.

I notice that you often do that.

The boxing world uses weight divisions.

The amount of conditioning and muscle-mass that you can take into a fight is strictly determined by how you fare at the official weigh-in, it is not determined at all by your rehydration weight, which can even be detrimental.

I am surprised that you didn't specify the weight difference in kilo's.

That is either blatant dishonesty, or total ignorance.

Doug Fischer knows whats up.....

" However, this fight only makes sense to me if it takes place at junior welterweight (and I would hope Marquez would weigh-in under 140 pounds). Why Pacquiao and company refuse to even consider fighting Marquez at 140 pounds (instead of the 144 or 147 they stipulate) is a very good question. The answer is obvious: they want every conceivable advantage against their aging but still-dangerous nemesis "

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/124927-dougies-fat-friday-mailbag

The b1tch-move to set up Marquez by refusing to fight unless they meet at 147, is just a continuation of a long line of b1tch-moves made by Team Pacquiao, and a classic indication of exactly how much respect they have for Marquez.

It's a b1tch move, plain and simple.

[jrosales13]

And I believe Jeff Mayweather and Roger mentioned the same thing in an article on ESPN.

It was never mentioned what drug testing was Roach insisting. Which BTW, Roach later came out and said he never said that. But, whatever...

People ran with it as if Roach was talking about "random testing" but it was never clarified. If you look at the Roach quote he never mentions random. He never clarifies what type of testing.

People just started assuming that it was meant random. And, I don't know how much Roger and Jeff would know about what was negotiated or asked for or not.

There was never any fact in what was demanded or what was turned down...It was just a bunch of assumptions and speculation.

[GRUSTLER]

Grus, with all due respect I think you're a long lost relative to Pullcounter. Seriously bro.



Because, it's a discussion forum.



Not doing that at all.



Because, that's what you're doing.



I know exactly what version of Castillo you're talking about. You're the one that is lost here not me.



Well of course, he would have to move up to his 3rd weight-class to fight Castillo in his first weight-class.



That's not true at all. Stop saying that nonsense.



So what? JMM was known not only for his first fight with Pac at the time but also as a member of the 3rd Mexican musketeer with Morales and Barrera. He was actually more "commercially" known than Castillo was.



Chasing Prince Hamed and being avoided.



That was a year before the Corrales fight correct?



OK, and?



At what weight-class? 135? Well duh...JMM in 2005 would have to jump 2 weight-classes to fight in Castillo first weight-class. But, in 2005 at 126 or even at 130 Castillo would have lost.



Against bums, Castillo was the one getting KO'd and TKO'd at 126 and 130 actually.



It would depend on what weight-class they fought in man.



Against who though? An old Jorge "Maromero" Paez?



Exactly, that is why I said during the time frame that you're talking about. it would depend on what weight-class they fought in.



No, not at all. I'm looking at the time frame. You're talking about the 2005 version of Corrales. The one who was struggling I mean struggling to make 135. How the hell would he have made 130 or even worse 126 in 2005? The man could barely make 135 at the time. There is a reason why he couldn't make 135 after the first Corrales fight ever again man.

At 130 he would of been drained and weak for making that weight-class in 2005/2004 whichever year. And, JMM would of picked him apart. At 126? It's not even worth discussing.

Now do you see what I'm saying when I mention depending in what weight-class?

Name one fight Marquez had that was bigger than the fight Castillo had against Mayweather at the time? Or before Pacquiao? You have completely missed my point and can't even comprehend what I am saying and you have the nerve to insult me by saying I'm related to Pull? I'm talking about if Castillo and Marquez were at 130 at the same time that it would not have been a clear cut win for Marquez like you are suggesting because Castillo had a good KO percentage at the lower weights while Marquez would have to move up to fight in a division that he hadn't fought at yet, where Castillo was a dangerous opponent. I already stated that Castillo would not have moved down in weight to fight Marquez in 04/05 so what are you talking about? Most likely JMM would have moved up to 135 and got beat.

[Dave Rado]

Fight-night weight ?

I have been involved with boxing for over three decades.

During that time I don't think that I have EVER discussed such an irrelevant issue as..... "fight-night weight".

No point discussing this any further with you if you really believe it's irrelevant. You'll be telling us next that you believe in Santa Claus.

Before he was fighting at 147 but dehydrating in saunas and not eating for 24 hours in order to make the weigh-in weight - and then rehydrating massively afterwards by eating and drinking a large amount. Now he doesn't bother to dehydrate and rehydrate again, and he eats a big meal on the day of the weigh-in, because he no longer needs to weigh below his fighting weight at the weigh-in. If that's irrelevant then my mother's King Kong.

His muscle weight is the same as before. All that's changed is the amount of food and water in his body during the weigh-in, because he doesn't have to dehydrate and starve himself any more.

Which doesn't mean I disagree that he should fight Marquez at 140. Of course he should. Not having to boil down gives him a big advantage, which when he's fighting a smaller man is an unfair advantage. But that doesn't alter the fact that his muscle mass hasn't changed significantly since the last Marquez fight.

[GRUSTLER]

It was never mentioned what drug testing was Roach insisting. Which BTW, Roach later came out and said he never said that. But, whatever...

People ran with it as if Roach was talking about "random testing" but it was never clarified. If you look at the Roach quote he never mentions random. He never clarifies what type of testing.

People just started assuming that it was meant random. And, I don't know how much Roger and Jeff would know about what was negotiated or asked for or not.

There was never any fact in what was demanded or what was turned down...It was just a bunch of assumptions and speculation.

Henson aka "The Dean", is one of the most respected and seasoned journalists in the Philippines. I wanted to get his response on the matter to help shed light on the issue as he was being targeted by forum posters who were quick to assume and pass judgment.

Here is Mr. Henson's response to me regarding this issue:

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"Freddie and I are good friends and whenever he comes to manila, I try to see him and we meet to chat one-on-one. When he visited last week, we spent two hours chatting about everything and anything. It was a lot of fun. Many of the things we talked about were off the record, haha but yes, I asked him if he would insist on a drug test for mosley. He even said drugs might have made Mosley freeze after hurting mayweather in the second round of their fight. he also mentioned mosley's history of using steroids and even said look at his body. I wouldn't misquote Freddie---he's a real friend and i wouldn't want to put words in his mouth. After I got your message, I texted Freddie and asked him if he denied my story and if he wouldn't insist on a drug test. I said sorry if I misquoted him, but recalled he said he would insist on a drug test. He replied right away and texted, "normal testing." I took it to mean Freddie will not want extraordinary drug testing for Mosley like Mayweather was once asking of Manny, like Olympic-style. As I said, Freddie's a good friend and I would never misquote him or put words in his mouth or deliberately put him in bad light. Thanks for writing in." --Quinito Henson

Continue reading on Examiner.com: Quinito Henson's response to Roach denying he wanted Mosley to take drug tests - National Filipino Sports | Examiner.com

http://www.examiner.com/filipino-spo...#ixzz1E46ZKRkB

Roach tried to cover it up after the story broke. Typical. Why would he suggest normal testing when it is protocol?

[jrosales13]

Name one fight Marquez had that was bigger than the fight Castillo had against Mayweather at the time?

In 2002? He didn't but that's not what you were talking about. You're changing the goal post again.

At first you were talking about the version of Castillo that fought Corrales compared to the version of JMM that fought Pac. Now you're changing the goal post by comparing both 2002 version of each other. But, if it helps you.

Or before Pacquiao? You have completely missed my point and can't even comprehend what I am saying

Your point is that the version of Castillo that fought Corrales could beat the version of JMM that fought Pac...Correct that is your point no? If I'm mistaken please correct me. My point is that both were 3 division apart so it would depend on what weight-class they fought in no?

and you have the nerve to insult me by saying I'm related to Pull?

Because, you're as equally as smart as he is.

and I'm talking about if Castillo and Marquez were at 130 at the same time

No you were not. You were talking about the 2005 version of Castillo at 130. You want to go back a few pages to see?

that it would not have been a clear cut win for Marquez like you are suggesting because Castillo had a good KO percentage at the lower weights

Against who man? An old Paez?

while Marquez would have to move up to fight in a division that he hadn't fought at yet, where Castillo was a dangerous opponent.

When was Castillo ever considered dangerous during his time at 130? GTFOH man.

I already stated that Castillo would not have moved down in weight to fight Marquez in 04/05 so what are you talking about?

Actually you said a few pages back that you would favor the 04/05 Castillo to beat JMM at 130. Which is asinine considering Castillo couldn't make 130 anymore during that time frame.

Most likely JMM would have moved up to 135 and got beat.

Well duh, JMM would had to move up 2 weight-classes to fight in Castillo first weight-class FFS's.

What is your point to even mention Castillo would beat JMM at 135? That Castillo is somewhat a better fighter than JMM? really you think so P4P? C'mon either you're overrated Castillo or underrating JMM or both.

[jrosales13]

Roach tried to cover it up after the story broke. Typical. Why would he suggest normal testing when it is protocol?

Well then is who you believe. Is another he said/she said right? Which is no fact at all. Roach said is not true or what have you.

And, even if Roach said it. It doesn't clarify what type of testing he's talking about.

And, it was never confirmed if Pac team really did try to force it and then backed out when Mosley said only if Pac did it. None of that was ever confirmed. It was just a bunch of assumptions, speculation, and hearsay. Not actually facts...

And, I'm not saying it didn't happen. It could of very well went down like that. But, then again it could of been something totally different then what people took it as.

[The Gambler1981]

Mosley shouldn't be bringing up Mayweather, if he did better in the fight sure but the way he looked to really sell this fight they need to move that fight as far from people's minds as possible.

Unless Mosley is getting a cut down the road and is actively trying to keep Floyd's name in the loop.

[GRUSTLER]

In 2002? He didn't but that's not what you were talking about. You're changing the goal post again.

At first you were talking about the version of Castillo that fought Corrales compared to the version of JMM that fought Pac. Now you're changing the goal post by comparing both 2002 version of each other. But, if it helps you.



Your point is that the version of Castillo that fought Corrales could beat the version of JMM that fought Pac...Correct that is your point no? If I'm mistaken please correct me. My point is that both were 3 division apart so it would depend on what weight-class they fought in no?



Because, you're as equally as smart as he is.



No you were not. You were talking about the 2005 version of Castillo at 130. You want to go back a few pages to see?



Against who man? An old Paez?



When was Castillo ever considered dangerous during his time at 130? GTFOH man.



Actually you said a few pages back that you would favor the 04/05 Castillo to beat JMM at 130. Which is asinine considering Castillo couldn't make 130 anymore during that time frame.



Well duh, JMM would had to move up 2 weight-classes to fight in Castillo first weight-class FFS's.

What is your point to even mention Castillo would beat JMM at 135? That Castillo is somewhat a better fighter than JMM? really you think so P4P? C'mon either you're overrated Castillo or underrating JMM or both.

Yo man. I see what you doing and it is lame. Trying to sound smarter by flipping the things that I am saying to fit support your point.

[champ_kw]

No point discussing this any further with you if you really believe it's irrelevant. You'll be telling us next that you believe in Santa Claus.

Before he was fighting at 147 but dehydrating in saunas and not eating for 24 hours in order to make the weigh-in weight - and then rehydrating massively afterwards by eating and drinking a large amount. Now he doesn't bother to dehydrate and rehydrate again, and he eats a big meal on the day of the weigh-in, because he no longer needs to weigh below his fighting weight at the weigh-in. If that's irrelevant then my mother's King Kong.

His muscle weight is the same as before. All that's changed is the amount of food and water in his body during the weigh-in, because he doesn't have to dehydrate and starve himself any more.

Which doesn't mean I disagree that he should fight Marquez at 140. Of course he should. Not having to boil down gives him a big advantage, which when he's fighting a smaller man is an unfair advantage. But that doesn't alter the fact that his muscle mass hasn't changed significantly since the last Marquez fight.

Which one is it? Did he starve himself and couldn't even think of drinking water to make weight? Or is it the new tale his crew spews about how he has to eat a million calories just to maintain weight cause he works out so hard? See you're playing both sides of the fence. When he was 135, it was "look at his fight night weight, he was outgrowing that division". Now that he's at 147, it's "he's making history, he's a small welterweight, he has to eat 25 meals a day just to make weight because he burns it all in training". Can't have it both ways.