Comments Thread For: V. Klitschko: Haye is a Coward, Clown, Avoiding Chagaev

[Dave Rado]

I don't think Haye is avoiding Chags because he's scared, more likely he just doesn't see it as a profitable or sellable fight in any way, and he'd need to fight in Germany to make it happen. Unlikely at this point that his fans would be willing to travel to see that, and can't see Sky having too much interest in the fight either. Chags is a pretty dull individual outside the ring (or that's the impression I get), looked bad in his last fight, and doesn't possess the kind of one hit KO power that would make a fight like this interesting. Unfortunately, such is the ignorance of the general British boxing crowd that Haye would need to fight someone like Evander or Roy for them to consider it a legit fight. Boytsov, Povekin etc would just be names to them. Course, there's always a Klitschko...

Love the joke at the end.

But fighting Chagaev in Germany, while not a big money fight, would certainly make a profit and pay him reasonably, and would rescue a small portion of his credibility, although not very much.

Most British fans would consider that to be far more credible than either of the fighters you mentioned, who even the ignorant British public know are shot, and also far more credible than Mormeck.

[nomadman]

Love the joke at the end.

But fighting Chagaev in Germany, while not a big money fight, would certainly make a profit and pay him reasonably, and would rescue a small portion of his credibility, although not very much.

Most British fans would consider that to be far more credible than either of the fighters you mentioned, who even the ignorant British public know are shot, and also far more credible than Mormeck.

Maybe I'm giving my fellow Brits too little respect (hard not to when you hear some of the ignorant crap they spew) but I can't see the Chags fight being in any way a good thing for Haye at this point. The Ruiz fight was given a pass because it was seen as a necessary evil and was fairly early on in the debacle, but the point has been reached where Haye's fans will accept nothing less than a Klitschko.

The Chags fight would've tanked IMO.

[Rick Grimes]

Which everyone who knows anything about boxing knows was the case. But you were ****** enough to dispute that, and to claim that you have to simultaneously hold every belt in order to be the undisputed champion, proving conclusively that you're an incurable fantasist.

undisputed world champion

— n
boxing a boxer who holds the World Boxing Association, the World Boxing Council, the World Boxing Organization, and the International Boxing Federation world championship titles simultaneously

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/undisputed+world+champion

[Dave Rado]

undisputed world champion

— n
boxing a boxer who holds the World Boxing Association, the World Boxing Council, the World Boxing Organization, and the International Boxing Federation world championship titles simultaneously

http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...world+champion

No one who knows anything about boxing gives that definition any credence, now that there are four sanctioning bodies, all of whom have corrupt rankings and mandatories, several of whom have "super" titles as well as "regular" ones (meaning that there are six or more people in some weight classes claiming to be a "world champion"), and all of whom regularly strip people for bullshit reasons. By that definition no one can ever be an undisputed champion any more, and if by some absolute miracle it ever did happen, no one could remain so for more than a couple of months. So that definition is completely pointless and meaningless and at least 20 years out of date. In the days when there was just the WBC and WBA, that definition made some sense, but not any more.

Every boxing expert and every boxing historian in the world regarded Hatton as THE world champion at 140lb at the time he fought Pacquiao and if someone is regarded as THE world champion by everyone who matters, which he was, then that is as undisputed as it gets. And the vast majority of boxing experts regard the lineal champion as being synonymous with being the undisputed champion in most cases (i.e. other than where there are clear anomalies like Erdei), given that the alphabet belts have become virtually meaningless. As you would know if you followed boxing instead of being a pedantic troll.

[Dave Rado]

but the point has been reached where Haye's fans will accept nothing less than a Klitschko.

Haye seems to be ******** that you're wrong, otherwise he'd be fighting one of them in July. The offer is still on the table, but he's made it clear he's not interested, and is going ahead with plans to fight someone else in May, probably Mormeck. And surely even his remaining UK fans don't regard Mormeck as more credible than Chagaev?

On a side note, I wonder why Sky don't force the issue and refuse to televise any Haye fight other than Haye vs. one of the Klitschkos in July? Surely it would be in their commercial interests to do so, as Haye would then be forced to take the fight - and it would be a huge fight, which would break all Sky PPV records.

As for Ruiz being regarded as a "necessary evil", I saw several press reports that referred to him as a two-time world champion (without mentioning that his last decent win was in 2004), and which claimed that Haye's win over him was impressive (without mentioning that three of the four knock-downs were illegal and that Haye was alarmingly defenceless against Ruiz's jab).

[DET. IRONSIDE]

Haye seems to be ******** that you're wrong, otherwise he'd be fighting one of them in July. The offer is still on the table, but he's made it clear he's not interested, and is going ahead with plans to fight someone else in May, probably Mormeck. And surely even his remaining UK fans don't regard Mormeck as more credible than Chagaev?

As for Ruiz being regarded as a "necessary evil", I saw several press reports that referred to him as a two-time world champion (without mentioning that his last decent win was in 2004), and which claimed that Haye's win over him was impressive (without mentioning that three of the four knock-downs were illegal and that Haye was alarmingly defenceless against Ruiz's jab).

He hasn't made it clear he's not interested.

That viral video with Wlad calling out Haye is a promo for the fight in July once it gets signed. The mentioning of the July date is a plug for the fight date. Its on, I have no doubt but I'll only be proved right after the Chisora fight.

Probably after the Chisora fight. If not no-one will care about Haye. who will have turned down one of the biggest moneyspinners he will ever see.

[Spray_resistant]

undisputed world champion

— n
boxing a boxer who holds the World Boxing Association, the World Boxing Council, the World Boxing Organization, and the International Boxing Federation world championship titles simultaneously

http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...world+champion

No one can legitimately dispute Sergio being the true MW champion and he currently has no alphabet belts.

[Dave Rado]

No one can legitimately dispute Sergio being the true MW champion and he currently has no alphabet belts.

Yes, good example, and exactly the same point I was making with regard to Hatton, who held no belts when he fought Pacquiao, but no one disputed that he was the world champion at the time.

[Rick Grimes]

No one who knows anything about boxing gives that definition any credence, now that there are four sanctioning bodies, all of whom have corrupt rankings and mandatories, several of whom have "super" titles as well as "regular" ones (meaning that there are six or more people in some weight classes claiming to be a "world champion"), and all of whom regularly strip people for bullshit reasons. By that definition no one can ever be an undisputed champion any more, and if by some absolute miracle it ever did happen, no one could remain so for more than a couple of months. So that definition is completely pointless and meaningless and at least 20 years out of date. In the days when there was just the WBC and WBA, that definition made some sense, but not any more.

Every boxing expert and every boxing historian in the world regarded Hatton as THE world champion at 140lb at the time he fought Pacquiao and if someone is regarded as THE world champion by everyone who matters, which he was, then that is as undisputed as it gets. And the vast majority of boxing experts regard the lineal champion as being synonymous with being the undisputed champion in most cases (i.e. other than where there are clear anomalies like Erdei), given that the alphabet belts have become virtually meaningless. As you would know if you followed boxing instead of being a pedantic troll.

Please show me some quotes by boxing experts and historians that say undisputed champion is anything but winning all the major titles.

No one can legitimately dispute Sergio being the true MW champion and he currently has no alphabet belts.

Yep he's the champion but not undisputed.

[DET. IRONSIDE]

No one can legitimately dispute Sergio being the true MW champion and he currently has no alphabet belts.

But he's the lineal champ thats different, if one of the guys with the alphabets calls him out we got him getting legitimately disputed.

Yeah?