Why Did Wladimir Collapse after 4 rounds and Vitaliy did not ?

[MetalVomit]

I am not a Klitschko fanatic. And I have seen many fights. I have seen many men punch themselves out and get tired and exhausted. Wlad looked sick. I am not making excuses at all. He lost the fight, plain and simple. But something wasnt right after the first round of that fight. He looked ready to die after 3 minutes, a superbly conditioned athlete couldnt possibly look like that without something being wrong. Once again for you Klit bashers, I am not a fanboy, and I dont deny the loss. But something was not right, whether he ate something bad or was poisoned, whether it was a conspiracy or diarhea, something was wrong.

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[Boxerdog]

But Vtialiy paced himself even at a higher tempo

We obviously have differing definitions for "pace".
If you over-do it, no matter what the activity level, you have not paced yourself.
The corner men should be able to detect when their fighter is in danger of becoming exausted.

[Nautilus]

We obviously have differing definitions for "pace".
If you over-do it, no matter what the activity level, you have not paced yourself.
The corner men should be able to detect when their fighter is in danger of becoming exausted.

gotcha. thanks

[dempseyfire]

Earth to the poster - - - Wladimir and Vitali are brothers but they are not the same person.
A few other reasons:
-Brewster was pressuring Wlad much more then Williams, who seemed to be walking with concrete boots.
-Wlad was throwing many more HARD punches. When Vitali throws a jab he really puts his shoulder into it and snaps it, when Vitali throws a jab he just pushes it out
-Wlad has a much lesser chin, and thus when your getting pressure from a puncher, you will tire out more as your exerting more energy to get away from the punches-Brewster was setting the pace, but against Williams Vitali was setting the pace
-Wlad was wobbled and hurt in round 3-he panicked and that also exerted more energy
-And yes, Wlad may be an inch shorter then his brother but at 245 he is not lean like his brother . . he began his career fighting in the 220s, while Klitschko has always been around 240. Klitschko put on too much muscle mass with the weights and he can't sustain a high tempo which he is not setting at that weight.

[dempseyfire]

I disagree with the exhaustion from panic theory.

I can stand up and move around when I'm exhausted. WK could barely even stand on his own accord!!!
and if you listen to what HE says (granted you'll have to be unbiased and assume he is not a liar) he was fatigued from like the 2nd round and HE DIDN'T KNOW WHY. If you want to know, ask him. Why would he lie to save face? This man is intellegent, a Doctor.

Did you read the articles that Boxingscene put up about this fight? How there was an intruder in the Klitschko camp at this fight? How all the samples that were taken at the hospital magically 'dissapeared'? How the water bottle that was given to WK couldn't be found right after the fight? How the FBI was involved?

wow, lots of stuff happenening from a little bit of panic...

oh yeah, that's right!! Don King has never been thought of to fix fights or corrupt boxing... NEVER!! I would never DREAM of hearing such a thing!! *faint*

Have you ever boxed? If you are fighting tight (and with a fear of getting punched out) you will get tired, and fast. I have sparred and seen numerous guys spar a number of rounds and be so exhausted they could hardly stand.
Wlad was not tired from the 2nd round on-just watch the fight. You don't thrown as many hard punches as he did while you're dead tired. Wlad didn't get really tired until he shot his load trying to knock out Brewster in the 4th. Ha, foul play . . .that would've been the crappiest job of foul play ever, esp. since Brewster was on his way outta there in the 4th round. I guess they were betting on the poison working and Brewster having a solid chin, eh? Thus stuff cracks me up . . .

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

They are both natural heavyweights, dont tell that you think wlad should have been at cruiserweight.

You don't get it. The point is that Vitali weighing 250 is a natural weight for him, for Wlad it is an un-natural weight. Wlad had to work hard in the gym and with weights to become a solid muscular heavyweight. Vitali just has to stay in shape because he is a naturally bigger man then his brother.

He handles the weight better and that is why his stamina is much better. People forget that Wlad blew up against Purity for his first loss in a manner very similiar to the Brewtser loss.

Wlad has talent, but he lacks the killer instinct that Vitali has. He has clearly shown that he can't take a punch as well as Vitali and he doesnt have the stamina of Vitali. None of the heavyweights are scared of Wlad anymore and will jump on him to test that chin or make Wlad beat on them until he punches himself out. Wlad can't wait on fighters, he is too big to wait. He needs to jump on guys and put guys away. Two years ago, a guy like Williamson would have never lasted past 2 rounds with Wlad.

[Neuraxis]

Earth to the poster - - - Wladimir and Vitali are brothers but they are not the same person.
A few other reasons:
-Brewster was pressuring Wlad much more then Williams, who seemed to be walking with concrete boots.
-Wlad was throwing many more HARD punches. When Wlad throws a jab he really puts his shoulder into it and snaps it, when Vitali throws a jab he just pushes it out
-Wlad has a much lesser chin, and thus when your getting pressure from a puncher, you will tire out more as your exerting more energy to get away from the punches-Brewster was setting the pace, but against Williams Vitali was setting the pace
-Wlad was wobbled and hurt in round 3-he panicked and that also exerted more energy
-And yes, Wlad may be an inch shorter then his brother but at 245 he is not lean like his brother . . he began his career fighting in the 220s, while Klitschko has always been around 240. Klitschko put on too much muscle mass with the weights and he can't sustain a high tempo which he is not setting at that weight.

I basically agree with you, but Vitali started out in the 230s for his first 10 fights. Wlad has shown time and time again that he can't handle 245 lbs. I thought that one of his most awkward fights was against Barrett and he came into the fight at 244 lbs. Yes he dominated Barrett but he looked completely awkward in doing so. Wlad's best weight is 238-240 lbs.

[Neuraxis]

Two years ago, a guy like Williamson would have never lasted past 2 rounds with Wlad.

This is just not true.

[Pno]

Have you ever boxed? If you are fighting tight (and with a fear of getting punched out) you will get tired, and fast. I have sparred and seen numerous guys spar a number of rounds and be so exhausted they could hardly stand.
Wlad was not tired from the 2nd round on-just watch the fight. You don't thrown as many hard punches as he did while you're dead tired. Wlad didn't get really tired until he shot his load trying to knock out Brewster in the 4th. Ha, foul play . . .that would've been the crappiest job of foul play ever, esp. since Brewster was on his way outta there in the 4th round. I guess they were betting on the poison working and Brewster having a solid chin, eh? Thus stuff cracks me up . . .

1 - Wlad was the one who said he noticed an unnatural fatigue from the 2nd round. He would know better than a spectator judging his punches.

2 - the referee said he's never seen anything like that in all his years. Has he never seen a fighter outpunch himself?

3 - which better way would you suggest foul play? bribing the judges like it would ever go that far...

[Tha Greatest]

Ya

All i know is vitaly is tha great today