Why Did Wladimir Collapse after 4 rounds and Vitaliy did not ?

[Boxer2005]

Wlad is no where close to Vital..IMHO

[Neuraxis]

So you really believe that Wlad merely outpunched himself?

No but whatever the other factors were that caused him to tire we will have no way of ever knowing.

[Nautilus]

The bottom line is you guys are pulling **** out of your ass to try and justify the fact Wlad lost to, what looked like at the time, an inferior boxer.

You don't know the absolute truth, neither do I. I just think after a majority of the people come on here and say (and justify with knowledge of the sport) they think Wlad punched himself out and lost his stamina. You guys could care less and continue to tell everybody else that they are forgetting that he's Vitali's brother. What in the hell does that have to do with the situation? Maybe I made a ****** comparison myself, but the brother factor thing is really where people are disagreeing. There is nothing anywhere that will justify the statements that were made that since one brother has certain skills and stamina, that the other does too. Do you know how slly that sounds? Have your opinion, I don't care.......let me have mine and don't try to slide your little one liners in 4 hours later to try and get the last word.

Don't be paranoid: noone tries to "slip one-liners 4 hours later."

Look, we all have jobs and I can not sit here for many hours and argue with you. So I checked this website in the morning, in the afternoon, and now. I post when I can. I could care less who wins the argument.

My point was:

(i) I believe that the K2 brothers are very similar in their training and many previous achievements;

(ii) Wlad does have a verifiable history of fighting at a high TEMPO, even independently of his brother;

(iii) the numerical comparisons given in my initial post are of interest to me given the initial theses (i) and (ii).

What is so freaking unreasonable about my point?

If you disagree with this opinion that's fine, but don't go and call it ******.

[Nautilus]

No but whatever the other factors were that caused him to tire we will have no way of ever knowing.

That's true.

[The Fix]

No but whatever the other factors were that caused him to tire we will have no way of ever knowing.

there are no other factors. he just got tired and lost thats it PERIOD.

[Nautilus]

there are no other factors. he just got tired and lost thats it PERIOD.

adn why do you say so?

[The Fix]

there is no proof of any foul play. sometimes athletes just dont meet their potential and it could be unfair to the athlete because all that pressure can take an effect on you and i think thats what hsppened to wlad

[Neuraxis]

there is no proof of any foul play. sometimes athletes just dont meet their potential and it could be unfair to the athlete because all that pressure can take an effect on you and i think thats what hsppened to wlad

Other factors does not only mean foul play.

[Neuraxis]

There is clearly a difference:

Brewster:

Purrity:

[The Fix]

i know that, i think it was an accumilation of pressure due to the high expectations placed on both him and his brother. his brother has reacted differently to the expectations and he has thrived but the same cant be said about wlad