Wlad vs Lewis

[the niggest]

Evander Holyfield is in the BOTTOM of weakest punching heavyweight champs of all time. Wlad is at the TOP. Evander scored 4 KOs in real heavyweight championships, Wlad scored 14. Don't even compare these two.
No opponent compares to Wlad or Lennox. You can not deduct your chances against Wlad or Lennox by using another opponent as a blueprint. NOBODY compares to Wlad, Vitali or Lennox.

Difference is Wlad is fighting mediocre b-level fighters who would be journeymen in Holyfield's era.

Holyfield beat Bowe, Tyson(x2), Holmes, Foreman, Mercer, Moorer etc etc. Some of these guys where slightly past it yeah but the fact is, Holyfield's resume is 10 times better than Wlads. Anybody can look good and get a bunch of knockouts when they are fighting bums... ITS ALL ABOUT RESUME. ITS ALL ABOUT WHO YOU PROVE YOURSELF AGAINST. and wlad hasnt proven ****.

[Money Shot]

Or if he happened to cut Lennox with an illegal shot maybe.

Here's Lennox's "suspect" chin:



Getting wobbled and hurt is not uncommon in the HW division, especially when you're fighting the types of fighters Lennox fought. That he was only stopped twice (McCall stoppage was premature IMO) speaks volumes for his durability, defence, ring smarts, and recovery abilities.

Okay, maybe a better chin than I thought. He definitely took a lot more punches during his reign than Wlad has taken in any of his fights since Peter1, but going by Rahman1 Wlad's left hook Money Shot would have a great chance of unravelling him. I'd say it would be a 50-50 fight, the question would be who would get Steward in the corner. That might swing it.

We agree to disagree on Lewis's shot that opened up VK's eye. It was a borderline legal shot at best IMO. When you see how badly shaken Lewis was in round two it made sense for him to try and make it a dirty clinch war.

[Earl-Hickey]

Evander Holyfield is in the BOTTOM of weakest punching heavyweight champs of all time. Wlad is at the TOP. Evander scored 4 KOs in real heavyweight championships, Wlad scored 14. Don't even compare these two.

No opponent compares to Wlad or Lennox. You can not deduct your chances against Wlad or Lennox by using another opponent as a blueprint. NOBODY compares to Wlad, Vitali or Lennox.

I didnt say he was a harder puncher than Wlad

I did say he was a better fighter.

If it was all about Power, Randall bailey and Julian Jackson would be ATG's

[nomadman]

Lennox certenley fought guys just as good as Wlad. Holyfield even though he was slightly past it when Lewis got to him, was still way way way better than Wlad... Lewis also beat a prime Vitali when he himself was at his career high weight, old and past prime.

Shure he hasn't fought anyone like Wlad but he has fought guys as good and even better than Wlad.

Evander is nothing like Wlad in physical dimensions, style or attributes so it's a ****** comparison. The closest fighter Lennox fought that was like Wlad was probably Bruno or Tucker, and those were both early in his career. Wlad would definitely be Lennox's most well-skilled tall opponent, and one of the hardest hitting.

[Mersey]

Wlad was a 22 y/o kid when he ran out gas vs Purrity, what was Lewis doing at 22? Still an amateur and nowhere near ready. Good points YOU make pal.

Lewis wasn't perfect, several of his ring performances were lacklustre. Wlad can win this fight.

So what was the illegal shot Lewis landed against Vitali again?

Also, Wlad was nowhere near ready for Purrity?

[chiguy91]

i would say lewis by TKO. it would be a hard fight, but i can see Lewis taking it.

[hweightblogger]

Lewis was just as technical as Wlad. Lewis was a better fighter and not as cautious as Wlad(even though LL had a few snoozers). Lewis had more power and was more agressive.

You see the problem is that it doesn't show on his record. If he was so aggressive and so not cautious why does he have the far lower KOratio (only 10 KOs in 18 world title fights).

All this talk about "style", "footwork", "heart" etc is FOG TALK if it doesn't translate into KOs ESPECIALLY SINCE LEWIS WAS OUTWEIGHING his opponents more than Wlad.

Add that to the fact that he fought ALOT better fighters than Wlad and his resume is way better than Wlads.

It's not way better. You may argue that Lennox' is better or Wlad's but neither one's is WAY better.

* Wlad's opponents at bout (world title fights): 30-2
* Lennox's : 32-1

And please note, that Lennox' opponents have a better record because they (more than Wlad's) were natural cruisers (= boxed below 200lbs) that have of course higher records.

One's you only compare their real heavyweight records then it looks like this:

* Wlad's median opponent's record (200x2) at world title fights: 28-1 (sum of all opponents 457-30)
* Lennox: 30-1 (443-26)
* Muhammad Ali: 11-1 (276-37)

In terms of heavyweight (200x2) Wlad has pretty much a very comparable resume as Lennox. Muhammad Ali in terms of heavyweight (200x2) is two leagues lower than Wlad or Lennox.

Exactly in what area would Wlad have an advantage? Lewis was just as good boxing wise as Wlad, difference is he wasn't as much of a safety first fighter and went for knockouts early from time to time(which wlad never ****in does)

Don't invent stuff. Wlad needs 4.8 rounds per KO, while Lennox needs 6.4 rounds. Again you produce only SUBJECTIVE OPNIONS ("goes for the KO") that collide with FACTS.

Add to it that Lennox scored only 31 KOs (in 200x2 fights) (against an average opponent 228 lbs) while Wlad scored 49 (and counting) KOs (233 lbs) and it underlines again who has more fun going for the KO.

[Money Shot]

So what was the illegal shot Lewis landed against Vitali again?

Also, Wlad was nowhere near ready for Purrity?

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Lewis has arm around VK's head and pulls him into the shot that opened up the eye. A hit and hold and wholly illegal.

[the niggest]

You see the problem is that it doesn't show on his record. If yhe was so aggressive and so not cautious why does he have the far lower KOratio (only 10 KOs in 18 world title fights).

All this talk about "style", "footwork", "heart" etc is FOG TALK if it doesn't translate into KOs ESPECIALLY SINCE LEWIS WAS OUTWEIGHING his opponents more than Wlad.


It's not way better. You may argue that Lennox' is better or Wlad's but neither one's is WAY better.

Wlad's opponents at bout (world title fights): 30-2
Lennox's : 32-1

And please note, that Lennox' opponents have a better record because they (more than Wlad's) were natural cruisers (= boxed below 200lbs) that have of course higher records.

One's you only compare their real heavyweight records then it looks like this:
Wlad's median opponent's record (200x2) at world title fights: 28-1 (457-30)
Lennox: 30-1 (443-26)
Muhammad Ali: 11-1 (sum 276-37)

In terms of heavyweight (200x2) Wlad has pretty much a very comparable resume as Lennox. Muhammad Ali in terms of heavyweight (200x2) is two leagues lower than Wlad or Lennox.Don't invent stuff. Wlad needs 4.8 rounds per KO, while Lennox needs 6.4 rounds. Again you produce only SUBJECTIVE OPNIONS ("goes for the KO") that collide with FACTS.

Add to it that Lennox scored only 31 KOs (in 200x2 fights) against an average opponent 228 lbs while Wlad scored 49 (and counting) and it underlines again who has more fun going for the KO.

I'm just gonna say this. IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT STATISTICS AND NUMBERS. Infact it don't got **** to do with anythin, when it comes to boxing.

Are you seriously saying Ali's resume is worse than Wlads and Lewis's because of some ****** statistics? Hell, if so, you ain't even worth discussing with because it's clear you are a ****in dumbass.

[flat1985]

You see the problem is that it doesn't show on his record. If yhe was so aggressive and so not cautious why does he have the far lower KOratio (only 10 KOs in 18 world title fights).

All this talk about "style", "footwork", "heart" etc is FOG TALK if it doesn't translate into KOs ESPECIALLY SINCE LEWIS WAS OUTWEIGHING his opponents more than Wlad.


It's not way better. You may argue that Lennox' is better or Wlad's but neither one's is WAY better.

Wlad's opponents at bout (world title fights): 30-2
Lennox's : 32-1

And please note, that Lennox' opponents have a better record because they (more than Wlad's) were natural cruisers (= boxed below 200lbs) that have of course higher records.

One's you only compare their real heavyweight records then it looks like this:
Wlad's median opponent's record (200x2) at world title fights: 28-1 (457-30)
Lennox: 30-1 (443-26)
Muhammad Ali: 11-1 (sum 276-37)

In terms of heavyweight (200x2) Wlad has pretty much a very comparable resume as Lennox. Muhammad Ali in terms of heavyweight (200x2) is two leagues lower than Wlad or Lennox.


Don't invent stuff. Wlad needs 4.8 rounds per KO, while Lennox needs 6.4 rounds. Again you produce only SUBJECTIVE OPNIONS ("goes for the KO") that collide with FACTS.

Add to it that Lennox scored only 31 KOs (in 200x2 fights) against an average opponent 228 lbs while Wlad scored 49 (and counting) and it underlines again who has more fun going for the KO.

Lewis beat Vitali who alone is better then anyone on Wlads resume you joker