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  • hweightblogger
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    #31
    Originally posted by Earl-Hickey
    Wlad has NEVER fought anyone remotley as good as lewis.
    Wlad didn't fight anyone as Lennox and Lennox didn't fight anyone as Wlad.

    Nobody in the history of boxing compares easily to Wlad, Vitali, Lennox, Tyson and (if you wish) to Larry Holmes. Even George Foreman plays in a different league.

    Of all 78 heavyweight champions Wlad, Vitali and Rid**** Bowe are punchiest punchers. Of ALL REAL HEAVYWEIGHTS (with at least 35 fights) who ever lived Wladimir Klitschko has the highest objective KOratio (against non-bummy uniques). Never in the history of boxing did such a KO artist exist like Wlad Klitschko.

    It would be the toughest fight in Lennox career.

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      #32
      If wlad was scared to give sanders a rematch why would he ever fight lewis? This fight would never happen. He would let vitali fight lewis instead. Same thing he is doing with Haye

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        #33
        Originally posted by 2Fast
        If wlad was scared to give sanders a rematch why would he ever fight lewis? This fight would never happen. He would let vitali fight lewis instead. Same thing he is doing with Haye
        Haye isn't remotely comparable to Lewis, either as a fighter or as a person.

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          #34
          Originally posted by flat1985
          That uppercut Lewis landed on Vitali would have sent Wlad in to next year!
          1) Pure speculation. Wlad's chin is still a mystery since neither 3 losses were purely chin related (not even the Sanders loss). If I were Wlad I would love that chin myth because it prevents the opponents from trying different strategies.
          2) Lennox would not have landed it. When was the last time you saw Wlad even close to being uppercut'ed?

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            #35
            Originally posted by Money Shot
            If Rahman could blast out Lewis so could Wlad K, but Wlad can easily make a cautious fight and win on the cards. I doubt he gets cut from an illegal shot like his brother in 03, too ring wise.
            You're a bonafide idiot and/or a liar.

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              #36
              Originally posted by It's Ovah
              Lennox Lewis of course.

              A prime Wlad is hard to guage though. His physical prime was back when he was battering the likes of Mercer and Shufford, but it was also the time when he suffered two of his most embarrassing defeats. Current Wlad is slower of hand and less of an offensive machine but much less likely to get caught or gas himself out. A prime Lennox is hard to gauge as well, and due to his sometimes lax training habits he sometimes struggled against guys he really shouldn't have struggled with. I feel confident though that the Lennox of the late nineties, early 2000s who took out Briggs, Golota, Grant, Botha, Rahman etc with such ease would do current Wlad in by around the ninth or tenth round, a young Wlad earlier than that. Wlad of today has got the better, crisper technique and the marginally faster hands, but Lennox is simply a tougher, gutsier, meaner fighter, and had a far more varied arsenal which he was more willing to take risks to hurt you with (though young Wlad had a very varied arsenal himself). He'd also be one of the biggest and hardest punchers Wlad's ever faced, and I have a hard time seeing Wlad establish his jab when Lennox is constantly throwing big rights hands over the top of it. He'd have a bit of success on the outside, but he'd also find himself getting pushed back to the ropes the way his brother was, and taking punishment in the clinch. I don't think Wlad's chin is as bad as people say it is, but no way does he take a shot from Lennox without getting hurt, and Lennox would be landing more than one in this fight. I generally give Wlad a pretty good chance in most hypothetical machups, but in this case prime Lennox just has too much for him to deal with.

              It's Ovah, don't you accept that Lewis's chin was slightly suspect? He went down very heavily against McCall, and was wobblier than a six foot jelly on roller skates when he got up, hence the stoppage. And Rahman, he went down like a sack of potatoes and failed to beat the count, something Wlad has never failed to do, even in Wlad's worst ever night against Sanders he got up. Lewis would maybe start favourite, but if Wlad landed a shot like the one that had Eddie Chambers in hospital it's over for Lewis.

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              • Earl-Hickey
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                #37
                Originally posted by hweightblogger
                Wlad didn't fight anyone as Lennox and Lennox didn't fight anyone as Wlad.

                Nobody in the history of boxing compares easily to Wlad, Vitali, Lennox, Tyson and (if you wish) to Larry Holmes. Even George Foreman plays in a different league.

                Of all 78 heavyweight champions Wlad, Vitali and Rid**** Bowe are punchiest punchers. Of ALL REAL HEAVYWEIGHTS (with at least 35 fights) who ever lived Wladimir Klitschko has the highest objective KOratio (against non-bummy uniques). Never in the history of boxing did such a KO artist exist like Wlad Klitschko.

                It would be the toughest fight in Lennox career.
                Nah, the past prime version of Holyfield was a tougher fight, grinding warrior who can fight inside and has an iron chin, or chinny guy whos going to try jab from outside and lewis need only drop the right hand to win

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Earl-Hickey
                  It'd be like Lewis vs Grant
                  No it wouldn't. Give Wlad a bit more credit than that. Early rounds would be back and forth until the sheer weight of Lennox's assaut begins to wear on Wlad around the sixth. Then he starts to bully Wlad onto the backfoot and roughing him up against the ropes. After that I give Wlad three more rounds tops before he's TKOed.

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                    #39
                    LL was prone to getting outboxed by guys of lesser skill. or almost outboxed. wlad is probably as skilled or almost as skilled as lewis. mercer and bruno come to mind. it's been awhile but i seem to remember him struggling against briggs. his power might've saved him a few times earlier on before he really hit his technical prime.

                    but i'd say stylewise this is a bad matchup for wlad. he doesn't have the inside game lewis had. and i'm sure we wouldn't see lewis stuck on the end of wlad's jab like most of his opponents. wlad certainly couldn't brawl with lewis like vital did.

                    i'm not so sure about a ko like most people. lewis knew when to play it cautious(tua). i think wlad has almost as much power as tua, which much more skill reach and speed. i could see this ending up a chess match over 12 rounds with either guy winning by a couple points. lewis was more vulnerable to a good jab which could be wlad's saving grace in this fight.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by hweightblogger
                      Wlad didn't fight anyone as Lennox and Lennox didn't fight anyone as Wlad.
                      Lennox certenley fought guys just as good as Wlad. Holyfield even though he was slightly past it when Lewis got to him, was still way way way better than Wlad... Lewis also beat a prime Vitali when he himself was at his career high weight, old and past prime.

                      Shure he hasn't fought anyone like Wlad but he has fought guys as good and even better than Wlad.

                      Wlad's resume ABSOLUTLEY SUCKS compared to Lewis's resume.

                      What's even more laughable is that nobody in America except hardcore boxing fans even knows who Wlad is.... When Lewis was around anybody who followed sports knew of him. It might not really have anything to do with anything but I bet it really get's you klit-ite's panties in a twist. So I thought I should say it

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