Why a lot of people think Pac is juicing? Look inside ...

[HandSpeed303]

then in that case. floyd shoudl hve said **** pacroids demands. but here is the thing. it shows that floyd wnted the fight and pac didnt.

plain and simple.

a duck is a duckquiao

Your talking to someone who really doesn't care (when it comes to Floyd and Pac)...

I don't care about "*******s" or "*****'s"...I'm not apart of that ****** internet war.

Now, lets get down to it. It is very true, Floyd could have said **** off, cause he has every right to...See how that works?

Pac should have told Floyd to shove his demand. Cause if they were smart, they would have seen it was nothing but a mind game/tactic by Floyd, to get into Pac's head (do to the blood test thing in the Morales fight)...But they didn't, and went right into full blown panic mode...That right there is why many people have a negitive opinion about Pac, and his team.

Facts are, no fighter has to give into anothers demands.

Also, why does it mean so much to you that Pac ducked Floyd or not? After the first fight fell through, Pac tried to make another, and the rest is history.

Niether of them are ducks, but they are diva's...That seems a more fitting term for the why this non fight has went about.

[ALG United]

then in that case. floyd shoudl hve said **** pacroids demands. but here is the thing. it shows that floyd wnted the fight and pac didnt.

plain and simple.

a duck is a duckquiao

If Floyd really wants to fight Manny, he should have fought this man that he considered one-dimensional, no defense, come-forward-face-first, predictable, easy-fight with 5 inches shorter reach and 3 inches shorter in height midget back in May last year with no qualms and no demands!!!!

[blaze778]

Pacquiao looked most ripped when he was fighting at 130.



At 147, his frame looks slightly bigger, but he also looks softer.

[flat1985]

But you lose speed with added bulk, yes or no? How many athletes you know add muscle and increase stamina?

He has lost speed he aint as quick as he was at featherwieght LOL

[damned1974]

All Floyd Sr.'s doing...

December 11:

Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.

December 14:

Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.


December 22:

Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.

Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

In that same day,

Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

How is HGH test done?

More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.



December 23:

Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.

Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.


December 24:

Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.

December 25:

Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.

NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,

This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.


December 26:

Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.

December 28

Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.

December 30:

Alex Ariza: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons.


David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.

Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.

David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.

Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.

David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.

Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.

David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?

Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.

Amazing how Freddie claims to know nothing about PEDs,yet he actually just exposed that he somehow knows that HGH cannot be detected....interesting.

What is equally funny,is that every PED user in boxing came to Manny's defense when he was asked to take those tests (Roy, Toney, Vargas, etc)! lol

[damned1974]

but I thought Oscar was a zombie and weight drained though? so wouldn't a lot of smaller guys have faired well against that version of oscar though?

Pac just beat oscar with foot movement and handspeed and that was it. Remember after the fight oscar was saying pac didn't even hit hard and was hoping he would knock him out and put him out of his misery.

so was pac just a huge welterweight beast that night or was oscar a weight drained zombie?

Oscar also said Manny's punches reminded him of Mosely and Vargas(PED users)...you pick and choose which words come out of Oscar's mouth....

[damned1974]

Oh lord...

I guess Roy Jones Jr. was on PED too. 18 to 19 lbs in just 6 months. lol http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...1758&cat=boxer

	2003-03-01	193	John Ruiz	226	38-4-1		Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States	W	UD	12	12
	referee: Jay Nady | judge: Jerry Roth 116-112 | judge: Stanley Christodoulou 118-110 | judge: Duane Ford 117-111 WBA World heavyweight title (supervisor: Calvin Inalsingh)
		2002-09-07	174¾	Clinton Woods	174	32-1-0		Rose Garden, Portland, Oregon, United States	W	TKO	6	12

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...1758&cat=boxer

Someone inform this kid-lol Roy Jones WAS on roids!!!!

[flat1985]

Oscar also said Manny's punches reminded him of Mosely and Vargas(PED users)...you pick and choose which words come out of Oscar's mouth....

So Oscar thought in the fight that Manny hits like he is on peds? lol.

Hahaha Oscar cant take it calling out a smaller fighter then geting smashed haha

[flat1985]

then in that case. floyd shoudl hve said **** pacroids demands. but here is the thing. it shows that floyd wnted the fight and pac didnt.

plain and simple.

a duck is a duckquiao

And what were the demands ****chops?

[davidoff]

Pacquiao looked most ripped when he was fighting at 130.



At 147, his frame looks slightly bigger, but he also looks softer.

There's also another good comparison. I think it's from one of the Marquez fight weigh ins. His cheekbones look like they're about to pop out of his face, something which you don't see now he's moved up.

The fact that no one even mentioned PEDs before the Mayweather family started all their accusations tells you everything. People are sheep and it's very easy to fool them with accusations. Prime examples are in the everyday media. This just happens to be another.