Do you give Haye a reasonable shot at beating Wlad?

[Schmerzen]

I think a lot of people are going to be very surprised when Haye lands a clean shot and Wlad shrugs it off. Wlad's bad chin issues are massively overstated and as has been mentioned he's never actually been knocked unconscious or counted out. I'm not claiming that he's Oliver McCall but it seems clear to me that most posters hold one of two images of Wlad: willowy beanpole Wlad who wilts under a stiff breeze, and the actual one that fights in the ring. Those who hold the first image constantly bet against him or make ludicrous statements like: "all it takes is one punch from Rahman/Peter/Brewster and Wlad is getting KTFO." Needless to say, they haven't been right for six years and I don't expect that excellent record to chance any time soon. Wlad isn't unbeatable of course, no one is, but you don't get to 55-3-0 with a chin made of wet papier mache, I don't care who you fight. Haye's puncher's chance is slimmer than people think.

u r right, ppl who think haye can ko wladimir with one punch are wrong imo.
but it doesnt matter anyway, at least not as long as haye doesnt make the same mistake like his fans do, and really believe that he needs only one big punch, and the fight is over.
if he steps with that mentality into the ring, he will get his ass kicked for 12 rounds and lose a wide UD.
while the only thing he would be doing in all these 12 rounds would be his pathetic attempt to land that one big punch.
and even if he does, and wladimir easily takes it & smiles like u said, then its game over for haye, because mentally haye would be done at that moment.
if he doesnt wanna end up like wladimir's last 10 opponents, he needs a better plan than that.

[Enzo Mc is SHIT]

I think people are making too much of Ruiz's jab success. It seemed to me that Haye basically didn't care how many jabs Ruiz hit him with, they weren't hurting him and he was focused on ending the fight. He won't be ****** enough to take that approach with Wlad.

[nomadman]

I think people are making too much of Ruiz's jab success. It seemed to me that Haye basically didn't care how many jabs Ruiz hit him with, they weren't hurting him and he was focused on ending the fight. He won't be ****** enough to take that approach with Wlad.

Good point. But even if he was intent on not getting hit with jabs it's still Wlad we're talking about. He lands his jabs on everyone, Byrd, Chambers, Ibragimov, all guys with vastly better defenses than Haye. His only chance to avoid the worst of it would be to stay way on the outside like he did vs Valuev, but that would be a surefire way to lose.

[Jimbo16031992]

British Sportsbooks overrate Haye so badly that Klitschko is less than a 2-1 favorite on their shores.

I might sell my car just to bet the money on Wlad and buy an even nicer one when the fight is over.

Just to give an idea of how much the bookies over here overrate Haye, before the Fraudley fight, a guy from SkyBet said winning this fight would 'cement his position as the number one pound for pound fighter in the world', I nearly vomited.

Holyfield beat Bowe, Haye can beat Klitasckho. but its unlikely to happend

2 problems there #1 Holyfield was miles better than Haye will ever be #2 Klitschko his harder to get to than Bowe

[King Ju-Ju]

haye can beat him

[WladIsTheChamp]

A bigger chance then most of the other heavyweights that's for sure.. but that's still not saying much... I think if he's able to hurt Wlad early in the fight hes got the explosiveness and speed to finish him...

Both Wlad and Haye have been thought to have somewhat suspect chins, with both fighters suffering knockout losses earlier in their careers where stamina could of played a role..

Wlad looks like he's been able to keep hes stamina in check and hasn't really looked like slowing down in any recent fights... Haye im still not sure on.. he tends to waste a lot of his energy during the earlier rounds by trying to take your head off with a flurry of Hayemakers.. That's when he's real dangerous and he knows it... but the knockout isn't always a guarantee and I think Haye tends to rely on the knockout and his power a bit too much.

Wlad is a different story, very calm and collected and most of the time very comfortable just sitting safely behind his long hard jab, a jab he uses extremely well! not to just to set up other punches like the infamous straight right.. but he's able to inflict some serious damage with the jab alone.. he uses it in such an incredible way that he can control the pace and distance of the fight.

By throwing the jab as often as he does accompanied with the huge power he has behind it, it wont take long for it to grab the opponents attention.. not only is it being used as a weapon but also as a distraction, with the opponent always left second guessing on what's about to come next.. Basically jabs you a few times to keep you in check and if you have the courage to walk through the jabs he sneaks in a straight right down the middle.. now you're back to square 1... which was getting the **** beat out of you from the outside.. so you either go straight back into your shell or show the heart and courage of what it takes to be a true champion and walk through him and try to knock hes ass out... and really that's the only way I see Haye winning..

I thought Haye was really intimidated by the size of Valuev so he chose to box and move.. I don't think he will be able to do that with Wlad he has to go out guns blazing or Wlad slowly picks him apart..


Reality is Both have huge knockout power... So it could be up to who's able to take as much punishment as they can give.

Wlad is a lot more composed and I think has matured a lot as a fighter since suffering those few knockout losses... Haye is can be wild but is very explosive and quick... But all I can see is Wlad slowly breaking Haye down before either knocking him or the ref calls it off.. I feel Haye will have hes moments where he will occasionally rush in to throw a combo of hayemakers.. but after feeling the power of Wlad will become more hesitant and discouraged to throw and take risks the longer the fight lasts.

Excellent analysis of Wlad's style, green k.

[WladIsTheChamp]

I think a lot of people are going to be very surprised when Haye lands a clean shot and Wlad shrugs it off. Wlad's bad chin issues are massively overstated and as has been mentioned he's never actually been knocked unconscious or counted out. I'm not claiming that he's Oliver McCall but it seems clear to me that most posters hold one of two images of Wlad: willowy beanpole Wlad who wilts under a stiff breeze, and the actual one that fights in the ring. Those who hold the first image constantly bet against him or make ludicrous statements like: "all it takes is one punch from Rahman/Peter/Brewster and Wlad is getting KTFO." Needless to say, they haven't been right for six years and I don't expect that excellent record to change any time soon. Wlad isn't unbeatable of course, no one is, but you don't get to 55-3-0 with a chin made of wet papier mache, I don't care who you fight. Haye's puncher's chance is slimmer than people think.

****ing A.... that's the truth right there. Mosley's trainer Naazim Richardson seems to think that Wlad has no chin but that he makes up for it with his skill, he said in an interview, rough paraphrasing "Do you know how good you have to be to do what he does and achieve what he has achieved with no chin?" when asked if Wlad is a great fighter. I think he has a chin, at least a better chin than Lewis had and we can all agree that Lewis did not have a paper chin despite being KOd and counted out twice, which Wlad has never been.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Just to give an idea of how much the bookies over here overrate Haye, before the Fraudley fight, a guy from SkyBet said winning this fight would 'cement his position as the number one pound for pound fighter in the world', I nearly vomited.



2 problems there #1 Holyfield was miles better than Haye will ever be #2 Klitschko his harder to get to than Bowe

Now I understand why the Diva Brit Boys are so ****ing delusional.... they listen to that **** and that ****** Bunce who doesn't even know boxing and then go on this site and show their ignorance.

[lfc19titles]

wladisthechamp, think best way to say is that we will found out on the fight night.

At the moment, I would say everyone both guys have faced recently havent really tested each guy. suppose thats why wlad wants this fight, he needs haye because he needs a good heavyweight to make his legacy, he wants to show the public "I can beat the quickest and strongest of heavies"

As for Haye, again like wlad hasnt been tested, we dont know how good his chin is at the moment at heavyweight because he has never taken a huge hit really from a heavy that dropped him

at the end of the fight, we will find out who is a great heavyweight, it is natural people make the guy who has been doing it for longer as the favourate, so it will be wlad but you know if history taught you anything, ortiz was favourate vs ortiz, willaims was fav vs martinez, pascal was fav against martinez and so on

BTW reason I am going for Haye is because its just my style, When I see 2 good boxers, I nearly always goes for the quickest guy or the guy who throws more combinations with angles. In this case it will be haye but i wouldnt be shocked if he comes up short

[lfc19titles]

Now I understand why the Diva Brit Boys are so ****ing delusional.... they listen to that **** and that ****** Bunce who doesn't even know boxing and then go on this site and show their ignorance.

do you know what sky bet is mate? he is just trying to get everyone to put money on haye, that means he thinks wlad will win