Comments Thread For: Khan Defends Himself and Pacquiao Over Drug Allegations

[WESS]

Khan's defense of himself & Pacquiao(on illegal drug allegations)is SO lame!! Khan says-->“Why don’t people say Maidana is on something because the power he has got is mad? He has got power that not many fighters have."... Maybe because Maidana has always had that power & has been more or less the same fighter from day 1..But it's weird that when fighters lack's certain ability's like power, strength, speed, resistance or the ability to take a punch, as soon as they start training at the "Wild Card" with Roach & Ariza as their conditioning coach ALL THAT changes drastically ESPECIALLY THE POWER & BEING ABLE TO WITHSTAND HARD SHOTS!! For example look at Pacquiao, before Roach & Ariza he got KO'd twice & ever since Ariza started as his conditioning coach he's gone up 40lbs & his physical aspect hasn't changed much except that he's bulkier & is WAY FASTER than before has MORE POWER & NOW PACQUIAO COULD GET HIT WITH A HAMMER & HE'LL TAKE IT & WILL COME BACK SWINGING!!! & that BULL S H I T that Pacquiao is scared of needles, C'MON!! He has a number of tattoos & even admitted that his 1st tattoo HE DID TO HIMSELF WITH A SEWING NEEDLE!!! Yet other fighters go up a couple of pounds & they are not the same, they either look heavy or they loose their speed or their power, or both!! As Trinidad went up in weight, he didn't have the same KO power he had as a welter & jr middle & De La Hoya looked sluggish & didn't have any power as a Middleweight & Mosley was blasting fighters away as a lightweight, but as a welter & jr middle he was fast but didn't have that explosive KO power he had as a lightweight & Camacho Sr that as a jr lightweight & Lightweight was lightning fast yet a couple of pounds up at jr welter & welter that speed he once had wasn't really there... & Khan got ANNIHILATED by Prescott in the 1st round & ever since then Prescott has fought 5 times & has scored ONLY 1 TKO victory & has lost 2(UD & SD)...& NOW Khan manage to WITHSTAND a LOT of hard shots from Maidana(who IS a VERY SOLID puncher) & did NOT go down & manged to win.. Another example is the feather fisted Malignaggi who in the past critized the S H I T out of the "Wild Card" & has accused Roach & Ariza of giving P.E.D's to Pacquiao & Khan & has even said "I WANT SOME OF WHAT EVER THEY ARE TAKING, CAUSE THAT STUFF IS GOOD!" & now Malignaggi who practically just STARTED training at the "Wild Card" & before the "Wild Card" hasn't scored a stoppage since 2003 & by coincidence he just happen to scored a TKO STOPPAGE the other day(the 18th of this month to be exact)!!! & another thing is that when James Toney came out positive for steroids he was TRAINING WITH ROACH!! Stuff like that does raise eyebrows & leaves people wondering....

A lot of the points you made have been around for awhile, people just tend to place them under a rock hoping to forget they ever happened.

I blame Floyd Mayweather.... That's the cool thing to do, so I blame him.

[LeadUppercut]

Anything is possible but highly unlikely that he was always (from day 1) taking PEDs, if that is what you meant. Even those accusing think it started only when Ariza came into the picture. Also, many are saying he is doing things NOW that he wasn't able to do in the lighter weight divisions. Just read some of the posts in this thread.

What people who say this don't realize is that Manny had a high percentage of KO/TKOs before Ariza came in to the picture, as well .... YET that is what they base it on ... Ariza!

Rubbish.

People are su****ious because Manny gained 15lbs of muscle in less than 18 months whilst ripping through three divisions all the while publicly refusing random blood tests

Also, during JMM II the commentators were saying Manny looked faded, worn, and like he'd been through too many wars. During Diaz they said the very opposite.... "revitalised", "re-energised", etc.

The bottom line is.....
if Khan refuses random blood testing, then we all know whats up, dont we.

[TheMexHurricane]

Manny is a much more complete fighter now! Is it so outrageous to think that a fighter has gotten better with age. Look how much better JMM is now than he was 5 years ago when he lost to Chris John? I also didn't see JMM hurt Pacquaio at any point or where he was in danger of going down. So, JMM landed a few awesome jabs and snapped Pacquaio's head back! So what! Clottey had a good jab and did so himself. And if look back at both the Cotto and Margarito fights, Pac was hardly ever hit cleanly in the face. He's got better movement now than he had in 2004....

JMM hasn't gotten light years better while simultaneously moving up 9 divisions.

[GRUSTLER]

I think Clottey could have beat Pac but he took a dive. Clottey had the
defense and counter punching and timing but backed off. Then he said
he doesn't know what happened to him? Top Rank is definitely running
a shady business and frankly speaking, I hope that everything finally
comes out if any because Arum owes us YEARS of sabotaging fights.

[ADP02]

These people seem to think it's impossible for a fighter to get a great trainer and change from a free swinging one dimensional brawler into a complete package and get better. So, anybody who get's better and/or moves up in weight is on drugs in their minds. Even Mayweather moved up from 130 lbs to 154 lbs and dominated and he got better with age so that should come into question too, right? According to the Mayweathers, unless your name is Floyd Jr, you will need illegal help to get better. It's almost like they are saying "How dare you say anyone could be as good as lil' Floyd!"

I have said that too. Floyd thinks he is the only one that can do the things he can.

[LeadUppercut]

Manny is a much more complete fighter now! Is it so outrageous to think that a fighter has gotten better with age. Look how much better JMM is now than he was 5 years ago when he lost to Chris John? I also didn't see JMM hurt Pacquaio at any point or where he was in danger of going down. So, JMM landed a few awesome jabs and snapped Pacquaio's head back! So what! Clottey had a good jab and did so himself. And if look back at both the Cotto and Margarito fights, Pac was hardly ever hit cleanly in the face. He's got better movement now than he had in 2004....

Don't be so fkn ******.

Marquez has not changed AT ALL since Chris John, where the *** did you get that from? Manny's intellectual fan's goin overboard again

That is weak.

Marquez is not as good as he was 5 years ago, plain and simple. He is a career-featherweight, who DID NOT put on 15lbs of muscle in less than 18 months while ripping through three divisions and refusing random blood tests

[WESS]

Manny is a much more complete fighter now! Is it so outrageous to think that a fighter has gotten better with age. Look how much better JMM is now than he was 5 years ago when he lost to Chris John? I also didn't see JMM hurt Pacquaio at any point or where he was in danger of going down. So, JMM landed a few awesome jabs and snapped Pacquaio's head back! So what! Clottey had a good jab and did so himself. And if look back at both the Cotto and Margarito fights, Pac was hardly ever hit cleanly in the face. He's got better movement now than he had in 2004....

I don't think any of us are saying PAC IS TAKING PEDS, at least im not. The post was just pointing out that its plausible and that Floyd is not the only one who's noticed it. It wasn't a big deal until Pac freaked out when Floyd demanded such tests. The fact that Floyd asked wasn't an issue. It was Pac's reaction that made OST such a big deal. If Pac had just said yes, proved he was clean nothing would have ever been talked about it. Nobody would be writing articles about Floyds not trying to clean the sport up he's just scared etc etc etc... It would have just been Floyd had asked for an odd style of testing while Pac asked for 10 million dollar weight penalty. Odd yes but not a BIG deal if it was just accepted like Floyd did. pac did not and it became a BIG deal.

Point is, Pac brought it on himself by freaking out like he did. Again nobodies saying he's guilty of anything. Mosley was never guilty of anything until he told them the truth. The point is, its plausible and Pac wasn't helping his case with his initial reactions and multiple excuses......

Then again, maybe it wasn't Pac at all. Maybe it's Bob Arum having an agenda and never wanted the fight in the first place? He's (more or less) already made that pretty clear a few times. But, I blame Floyd. That's the cool thing the kids are doing these days... so I blame him... you in?

[TheMexHurricane]

Manny has made millions of fans in the general public--- some of who payed $50.00 to see him fight. If it comes out that he's on steroids boxing will take a very damaging blow. It's better to police ourselves and verify just in case so that the public can know that boxing in general-- and especially the boxing community-- is honest.

[LeadUppercut]

I don't think any of us are saying PAC IS TAKING PEDS, at least im not. The post was just pointing out that its plausible and that Floyd is not the only one who's noticed it. It wasn't a big deal until Pac freaked out when Floyd demanded such tests. The fact that Floyd asked wasn't an issue. It was Pac's reaction that made OST such a big deal. If Pac had just said yes, proved he was clean nothing would have ever been talked about it. Nobody would be writing articles about Floyds not trying to clean the sport up he's just scared etc etc etc... It would have just been Floyd had asked for an odd style of testing while Pac asked for 10 million dollar weight penalty. Odd yes but not a BIG deal if it was just accepted like Floyd did. pac did not and it became a BIG deal.

Point is, Pac brought it on himself by freaking out like he did. Again nobodies saying he's guilty of anything. Mosley was never guilty of anything until he told them the truth. The point is, its plausible and Pac wasn't helping his case with his initial reactions and multiple excuses......

Then again, maybe it wasn't Pac at all. Maybe it's Bob Arum having an agenda and never wanted the fight in the first place? He's (more or less) already made that pretty clear a few times. But, I blame Floyd. That's the cool thing the kids are doing these days... so I blame him... you in?

What I am saying is..... I added up 1 + 1..... and I come up with 2.

1 = Gaining 15lbs of muscle in less than 18 months, whilst ripping through three divisions, gaining speed and power.....

1 = publicly refusing random blood tests, and citing 6 absolutely ridiculous reasons why not

2 = Manny is probably taking epo/hgh

The point is this......

I have the right to assume whatever the *** I want, because Manny will not take the tests.

[WESS]

What I am saying is..... I added up 1 + 1..... and I come up with 2.

1 = Gaining 15lbs of muscle in less than 18 months, whilst ripping through three divisions, gaining speed and power.....

1 = publicly refusing random blood tests, and citing 6 absolutely ridiculous reasons why not

2 = Manny is probably taking epo/hgh

The point is this......

I have the right to assume whatever the *** I want, because Manny will not take the tests.

No doubt. Problem is everyone thinks that Floyd is the only one who sees this or has accused Pac...

He just asked Pac to take the tests which would have been no big deal at all. Pac made it a HUGE deal, followed up by excuses and lawsuits etc.

It's reasonable with the facts presented to easily say something is not right and its also reasonable to say he's clean because he never failed a test. Mosley will tell you the same thing.

Anyway I wouldn't be surprised either way with Pac...