Comments Thread For: Khan Defends Himself and Pacquiao Over Drug Allegations

[ADP02]

Or Manny could've been on roids all along and fight without them because of the tests and we'll see an obviously different Manny. Manny should've taken the tests vs Margarito voluntarily. I don't see any good reason for him not to except that he's hiding something. All negatives for Manny. And of course there are Mexihaters who secretly condone their su****ion that manny is on roids and like to avoid the subject by actually calling those that bring it up "haters".

Anything is possible but highly unlikely that he was always (from day 1) taking PEDs, if that is what you meant. Even those accusing think it started only when Ariza came into the picture. Also, many are saying he is doing things NOW that he wasn't able to do in the lighter weight divisions. Just read some of the posts in this thread.

What people who say this don't realize is that Manny had a high percentage of KO/TKOs before Ariza came in to the picture, as well .... YET that is what they base it on ... Ariza!

[megas30]

So now it's "everyday testing"? Can someone please explain to Manny's camp what Random drug testing really is, for they seem to be really ignorant to this topic.

[megas30]

So much contradiction. 1st pacq agreed to everything then a few months ago khan quotes him as saying he is not ready for OSTs becuz its mental! Not to mention koncz clearly debunking them agreeing to everything.

either it is pacq who dont really want to fight or he is hiding something.

Come on guys. This is BS!

Good observation....100% agree.

[SluggerFan]

lord have mercy..give it a rest

I agree. Khan speaks about something said months ago and then every conspiracy theorist comes out of the closet with their two cents on Pacquiao. The facts are this! Nobody (Floyd Jr, Floyd Sr, Roger, ODLH, Schaefer, etc) has any shred of proof of anything (not even a lint balls worth), it is all specualtion, period. Often I speculate that 9/11 was a huge conspiracy theory and was covered up and the American public flat out lied to but I keep my mouth shut because until I have proof, I have nothing. Everyone else should do the same...

[GRUSTLER]

Khan's defense of himself & Pacquiao(on illegal drug allegations)is SO lame!! Khan says-->“Why don’t people say Maidana is on something because the power he has got is mad? He has got power that not many fighters have."... Maybe because Maidana has always had that power & has been more or less the same fighter from day 1..But it's weird that when fighters lack's certain ability's like power, strength, speed, resistance or the ability to take a punch, as soon as they start training at the "Wild Card" with Roach & Ariza as their conditioning coach ALL THAT changes drastically ESPECIALLY THE POWER & BEING ABLE TO WITHSTAND HARD SHOTS!! For example look at Pacquiao, before Roach & Ariza he got KO'd twice & ever since Ariza started as his conditioning coach he's gone up 40lbs & his physical aspect hasn't changed much except that he's bulkier & is WAY FASTER than before has MORE POWER & NOW PACQUIAO COULD GET HIT WITH A HAMMER & HE'LL TAKE IT & WILL COME BACK SWINGING!!! & that BULL S H I T that Pacquiao is scared of needles, C'MON!! He has a number of tattoos & even admitted that his 1st tattoo HE DID TO HIMSELF WITH A SEWING NEEDLE!!! Yet other fighters go up a couple of pounds & they are not the same, they either look heavy or they loose their speed or their power, or both!! As Trinidad went up in weight, he didn't have the same KO power he had as a welter & jr middle & De La Hoya looked sluggish & didn't have any power as a Middleweight & Mosley was blasting fighters away as a lightweight, but as a welter & jr middle he was fast but didn't have that explosive KO power he had as a lightweight & Camacho Sr that as a jr lightweight & Lightweight was lightning fast yet a couple of pounds up at jr welter & welter that speed he once had wasn't really there... & Khan got ANNIHILATED by Prescott in the 1st round & ever since then Prescott has fought 5 times & has scored ONLY 1 TKO victory & has lost 2(UD & SD)...& NOW Khan manage to WITHSTAND a LOT of hard shots from Maidana(who IS a VERY SOLID puncher) & did NOT go down & manged to win.. Another example is the feather fisted Malignaggi who in the past critized the S H I T out of the "Wild Card" & has accused Roach & Ariza of giving P.E.D's to Pacquiao & Khan & has even said "I WANT SOME OF WHAT EVER THEY ARE TAKING, CAUSE THAT STUFF IS GOOD!" & now Malignaggi who practically just STARTED training at the "Wild Card" & before the "Wild Card" hasn't scored a stoppage since 2003 & by coincidence he just happen to scored a TKO STOPPAGE the other day(the 18th of this month to be exact)!!! & another thing is that when James Toney came out positive for steroids he was TRAINING WITH ROACH!! Stuff like that does raise eyebrows & leaves people wondering....

Good Post man! I don't know for sure until everything is revealed but
it is quite weird that Manny took shots from big punchers like Cotto,
and bigger guys like Margarito but before Marquez was knocking Pac's
head back.

PS
Just for reference next time around. Make sure it is more
convenient to read.

[SluggerFan]

Anything is possible but highly unlikely that he was always (from day 1) taking PEDs, if that is what you meant. Even those accusing think it started only when Ariza came into the picture. Also, many are saying he is doing things NOW that he wasn't able to do in the lighter weight divisions. Just read some of the posts in this thread.

What people who say this don't realize is that Manny had a high percentage of KO/TKOs before Ariza came in to the picture, as well .... YET that is what they base it on ... Ariza!

These people seem to think it's impossible for a fighter to get a great trainer and change from a free swinging one dimensional brawler into a complete package and get better. So, anybody who get's better and/or moves up in weight is on drugs in their minds. Even Mayweather moved up from 130 lbs to 154 lbs and dominated and he got better with age so that should come into question too, right? According to the Mayweathers, unless your name is Floyd Jr, you will need illegal help to get better. It's almost like they are saying "How dare you say anyone could be as good as lil' Floyd!"

[Iceta Lives]

I remember when there was a story about Pacquiao and Roach asking Shane for OSTs. But then Roach came out and refuted that claim by saying that would make them look like hypcrits because they didn't agree to Floyd's testing for a long time.

In actuality, I think the best thing Pacquiao could do to clear up the controversy about PEDs is to have Shane Mosley tested. Because if they don't, it will look like Pacquiao himself has something to hide. Especially after fighting in Texas twice in a row where there is zero drug testing.

[TheMexHurricane]

Anything is possible but highly unlikely that he was always (from day 1) taking PEDs, if that is what you meant. Even those accusing think it started only when Ariza came into the picture. Also, many are saying he is doing things NOW that he wasn't able to do in the lighter weight divisions. Just read some of the posts in this thread.

What people who say this don't realize is that Manny had a high percentage of KO/TKOs before Ariza came in to the picture, as well .... YET that is what they base it on ... Ariza!

Who knows when he started if at all. It's all the same to me. I do have to say that I'd have never thought watching the flyweight Manny(a few months shy of 21) losing to a Thai(who began 2 divisions smaller than Manny did and walked through his punches) would get so much bigger, faster and become in my eyes the GOAT. Imagine Fernando Montiel, who's already moved up 2 divisions, moving up another 7 and actually getting faster, much more muscular and destroying Margarito. It really, really don't smell right but anything is indeed possible.

[SluggerFan]

Good Post man! I don't know for sure until everything is revealed but
it is quite weird that Manny took shots from big punchers like Cotto,
and bigger guys like Margarito but before Marquez was knocking Pac's
head back.

PS
Just for reference next time around. Make sure it is more
convenient to read.

Manny is a much more complete fighter now! Is it so outrageous to think that a fighter has gotten better with age. Look how much better JMM is now than he was 5 years ago when he lost to Chris John? I also didn't see JMM hurt Pacquaio at any point or where he was in danger of going down. So, JMM landed a few awesome jabs and snapped Pacquaio's head back! So what! Clottey had a good jab and did so himself. And if look back at both the Cotto and Margarito fights, Pac was hardly ever hit cleanly in the face. He's got better movement now than he had in 2004....

[TheMexHurricane]

Khan's defense of himself & Pacquiao(on illegal drug allegations)is SO lame!! Khan says-->“Why don’t people say Maidana is on something because the power he has got is mad? He has got power that not many fighters have."... Maybe because Maidana has always had that power & has been more or less the same fighter from day 1..But it's weird that when fighters lack's certain ability's like power, strength, speed, resistance or the ability to take a punch, as soon as they start training at the "Wild Card" with Roach & Ariza as their conditioning coach ALL THAT changes drastically ESPECIALLY THE POWER & BEING ABLE TO WITHSTAND HARD SHOTS!! For example look at Pacquiao, before Roach & Ariza he got KO'd twice & ever since Ariza started as his conditioning coach he's gone up 40lbs & his physical aspect hasn't changed much except that he's bulkier & is WAY FASTER than before has MORE POWER & NOW PACQUIAO COULD GET HIT WITH A HAMMER & HE'LL TAKE IT & WILL COME BACK SWINGING!!! & that BULL S H I T that Pacquiao is scared of needles, C'MON!! He has a number of tattoos & even admitted that his 1st tattoo HE DID TO HIMSELF WITH A SEWING NEEDLE!!! Yet other fighters go up a couple of pounds & they are not the same, they either look heavy or they loose their speed or their power, or both!! As Trinidad went up in weight, he didn't have the same KO power he had as a welter & jr middle & De La Hoya looked sluggish & didn't have any power as a Middleweight & Mosley was blasting fighters away as a lightweight, but as a welter & jr middle he was fast but didn't have that explosive KO power he had as a lightweight & Camacho Sr that as a jr lightweight & Lightweight was lightning fast yet a couple of pounds up at jr welter & welter that speed he once had wasn't really there... & Khan got ANNIHILATED by Prescott in the 1st round & ever since then Prescott has fought 5 times & has scored ONLY 1 TKO victory & has lost 2(UD & SD)...& NOW Khan manage to WITHSTAND a LOT of hard shots from Maidana(who IS a VERY SOLID puncher) & did NOT go down & manged to win.. Another example is the feather fisted Malignaggi who in the past critized the S H I T out of the "Wild Card" & has accused Roach & Ariza of giving P.E.D's to Pacquiao & Khan & has even said "I WANT SOME OF WHAT EVER THEY ARE TAKING, CAUSE THAT STUFF IS GOOD!" & now Malignaggi who practically just STARTED training at the "Wild Card" & before the "Wild Card" hasn't scored a stoppage since 2003 & by coincidence he just happen to scored a TKO STOPPAGE the other day(the 18th of this month to be exact)!!! & another thing is that when James Toney came out positive for steroids he was TRAINING WITH ROACH!! Stuff like that does raise eyebrows & leaves people wondering....

Strong Post! Not sure but didn't Mercito Gesta start KOing people when he started training with Roach?