BHOP>Manny>FMJr

[Walt Liquor]

i wish walt uses boxrec.

then maybe he'd know that hopkins didn't win against taylor.


also how ****ty taylor and pavlik's resume is.

and cotto was a tuneup?

and the margarito win was more impressive than the pavlik win

[Xena]

Who would argue that, that Tito wasn't in his prime at 47? He was still a good MW, he showed great power there when he stopped Joppy. Bernard will always have his number, especially Winky...regardless of weight.

I thought the TS was arguing that when he said Nard beat a prime Tito. Prime Tito was at 147 like you said. So now you're saying that if Nard and Tito were the same size that fight looks the same? GTFO.. Are you really trying to say he didn't have a weight advantage?

[Twako]

Hard nard might be a pain in the a$$ and selective about who he fights, but when he finally gets down to it, he ends up in the ring with lineal champions, up and coming badasses (jermain, pavlik, glen Johnson, roy 1, Trinidad, pascal), experienced hof caliber real fighters that no one wants to fight (tarver, jocal, winky), and ruled a weight class that he was the undisputed king of for a decade. He beat plenty of other good challenges along the way that are equalt to most of the recent wins for Floyd and PAC, all things considered, such as echols, hoppy and Keith holmes.

Every weight class where Floyd or manny were titleholders or champs, there were or are other guys that were legit challengers to the title, in other words, they have unfinished business at EVERY stop along the way.

Now we have manny and especially Floyd sidestepping and dipping and dodging their best challenges, avoiding up and comers, fighting leftovers, and generally picking one type of fighter (oldest easiest money).

I'm sick of it.

it's easy to counter your argument man. bhop stayed in only 2 divisions, mostly in one for the most part of his career. so surely he would've fought almost everyone there, ALMOST, and he missed out on some still.

manny and floyd fought in 6 or more divisions, and unless fighters of today fight 6-8 times a year, then they would've missed one or two good fighters along the way.

i can agree that his opponents are over floyd, but i disagree w/ manny's. you're talking about a former flyweight coming up 40lbs and giving up almost still almost another 20lbs in his last fight and still giving a badass whopping. Nard never gave anyone bigger than him a whooping like this, but instead he made guys go up in wieght like oscar and trinidad.

[CaRnAgEViOLaToR]

Did someone say Pac's win over Margartio was better than Hopkins over Pavlik...Ahahahaha...GET THE **** OUT OF HERE....Margairto looked TOTAL **** in his last 2 fights before Pac. He looked so ****in weak and slow in his previous fihgts. I give Pac no credit for a BULL**** catchweight, PAPER TITLE, over a slow ass fighter. That win is no better than Mayweathers wins over Judah and Baldomir...

[Doctor_Tenma]

I thought the TS was arguing that when he said Nard beat a prime Tito. Prime Tito was at 147 like you said. So now you're saying that if Nard and Tito were the same size that fight looks the same? GTFO.. I'm not saying Tito could have beat BHop, but to say that fight looks the same if they were the same size is downright ******ed.

No I didn't say that, I said Tito was still a very good MW and stylistically he would ALWAYS lose to B-Hop and Winky.

[fdotorres]

And you're acting like Manny isn't refusing to step in the ring with Marquez.

Hopkins win over Pavlik is better then any win Manny has since the 2nd MOrales fight

so a win against a 160 pounder at 170 catchweight is better than a rematch with say, marquez?

imbecile

[Walt Liquor]

oh yea, not to mention dude has about 9 fights after the age of 40.


bojangles,

manny's been picking and choosing, he hasn't fought anywhere near the amount of fighters with different styles and sizes that bhop has. it's not even close.

while manny's win and draw over jmm and his barrera and revenge against morales are VERY impressive, I thikn bhop has the better overal resume AT THIS TIME. Manny certainly has plenty of time to change that IMO. I'm really not trying to shi t on manny's resume because I think he's close to atg status, but bhop is definitely atg status.

no clear losses either, I might add. every l he has maybe since roy is most certainly arguable at least.

[Xena]

No I didn't say that, I said Tito was still a very good MW and stylistically he would ALWAYS lose to B-Hop and Winky.

That's fine but it doesn't change the fact Hop had a huge advantage in weight over Tito




Thus making Pacquiao's win over Barrera much more impressive being they were both underdogs for their respective fights.

[Chief2ndzOnly!]

I have to agree man....alot will say Pac is the best but **** it he's overrated by the media and the *******s. He's an ATG but I don't give him any credit for his Mayweather is the best overall but the last time BHOP lost or drew someone was Jermain Taylor II. He was robbed in the first Taylor fight, the Calzaghe fight, and Pascal fight...Just my opinio man.....Hopkins aint as physically talented as either fighter but he's a ****in inspiration and built from the same cloth as Archie Moore, Ezzard Charlesss

I greened you for this. I was thinking the samething on Saturday. Canada robbed me outta 36Mil e-points.

[Walt Liquor]

Did someone say Pac's win over Margartio was better than Hopkins over Pavlik...Ahahahaha...GET THE **** OUT OF HERE....Margairto looked TOTAL **** in his last 2 fights before Pac. He looked so ****in weak and slow in his previous fihgts. I give Pac no credit for a BULL**** catchweight, PAPER TITLE, over a slow ass fighter. That win is no better than Mayweathers wins over Judah and Baldomir...

correct, and someone did say that.

pac can and should step his game up.

he's not cleaning out ww either bojangles, his last fight was at jmw. cleaning it up is unifying all the belts