BHOP>Manny>FMJr

[rayb112]

Do I really need to mention all the peope Floyd and manny have refused to fight.



YES...Please list all the fighters Mayweather has supposly ducked...and please don't start off with Margarito...because I would think by now us real boxing fans would know the true story...but just in case you don't, let me refresh your memory...Top Rank, (where Floyd just left), was offered to fight Margarito for 8 Million...at the same time he was offered 8,000,001 dollars...thats RIGHT, 1 dollar more to fight UNDISPUTED WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD Carlos Baldmire...who just beat Zab Judah and Gotti...

So your list please...I'm sure you have at least 5 or 6...Right!

[Khalid X]

Don't think so, if B-Hop were ever in Pacquiao or Mayweather's postion, we would have already seen Pac vs. Paul Williams/ Martinez, same goes for Floyd. No doubt in my mind, really nothing to think about. B-Hop's resume speaks for itself.

Really so what's the excuse for him not facing Roy for a lot sooner? Also guys like Toney, Calzaghe, Benn, and Eubank were great champions one division north when MW was hot garbage. Can we not flip it and say if that was Manny and Floyd the would have tried to jump one weight class and face them?

Now I'm not saying b-hop should have done that, just pointing out the logic you are using.

BTW it took a Don King forced tourney for B-Hop and those top MWs to face each other because years went by without the best fighting the best there. Don't tell me you forgot that?

[Walt Liquor]

People need to quit putting emotion in front of facts and logic.

You can diss Floyd and Manny for doing what every fighter in the sport has done and will continue to do.

For instance people are hyping up Martinez when he is facing a bum in Andy Lee. What's funny is he could have faced Pirog but guess what his reason was as to not fighting him? Pirog has no fans, bring no money and no one knows who he is. Same **** with Dzin a guy who has been a top 3 JMW for a while. Dzin called him out Sergio said no one knows who he is so why should he face him.

B-hop pulled the same thing with Dawson and Williams as well but you guys make excuses and turn a blind eye to it because you only see what you wanna see.

Insert Floyd and Manny's name into those sentences and all he'll breaks loose. I don't think it's wrong to call either out but please keep it 100 and get of the double standards. All these fighters are the same and the sooner you realize it the better it will be as far as enjoying the sport.

Paul Williams? Is that who you're talking abuot? They guy who couldn't fight over 157 or 158?

[Doctor_Tenma]

u say that but who?? i guess u can say rjj, calzaghe, winky. but who else??? i dont think trinidad or dlh count. i refuse to count taylor or pavlik, they are both b level fighters at best. pascal...pshhhh.

Why shouldn't Taylor count? Taylor was still a very hungry fighter at the time. Why shouldn't Trinidad? Alot of people picked Pavlik to stop B-Hop, as a huge Bernard Hopkins fan...I didn't think he would win that, especially that impressive. Very few picked Hopkins.

In the bold, Tarver is a good addition to that too. All I'm saying is Hopkins went in there when the odds were against him and he proved most people wrong, more than he proved them right. I'm also talking about his intent, he put more emphasis on trying to be great, more so than both Mayweather and Pacquiao. Just took on better challenges.

Another issue could be that my criteria is a lot different than everyone elses.

[Khalid X]

Paul Williams? Is that who you're talking abuot? They guy who couldn't fight over 157 or 158?

Ive already stated that for someone to say b-hop ducked Williams and Dawson was a reach, and I personally think it's ridiculous to claim he ducked either.

That's my opinion, but if we wanna go by the logic on NSB....then yes he did.

IMO Floyd has only ducked Stevie Johnston...well his team did. Manny hasn't ducked anyone and b-hop hasn't either. Now I would like to have seen him face Roy sooner and James Toney, but those weren't ducks either...just certain things that prevented those fights from happening.

[SplitSecond]

Why shouldn't Taylor count? Taylor was still a very hungry fighter at the time. Why shouldn't Trinidad? Alot of people picked Pavlik to stop B-Hop, as a huge Bernard Hopkins fan...I didn't think he would win that, especially that impressive. Very few picked Hopkins.

In the bold, Tarver is a good addition to that too. All I'm saying is Hopkins went in there when the odds were against him and he proved most people wrong, more than he proved them right. I'm also talking about his intent, he put more emphasis on trying to be great, more so than both Mayweather and Pacquiao. Just took on better challenges.

Another issue could be that my criteria is a lot different than everyone elses.

the odds are meant to be against someone that is 40+

besides, the majority are ******ed and overlook styles

[SplitSecond]

what makes bhop an atg is not his great competition like other atg's, but his age when against mediocre compeition

pac obviously has a much better resume
but i doubt he'd be able to do anything in his 40's
probabley get ko'd by some danny green type fellow

[Joartcc7]

Do I really need to mention all the peope Floyd and manny have refused to fight.



YES...Please list all the fighters Mayweather has supposly ducked...and please don't start off with Margarito...because I would think by now us real boxing fans would know the true story...but just in case you don't, let me refresh your memory...Top Rank, (where Floyd just left), was offered to fight Margarito for 8 Million...at the same time he was offered 8,000,001 dollars...thats RIGHT, 1 dollar more to fight UNDISPUTED WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD Carlos Baldmire...who just beat Zab Judah and Gotti...

So your list please...I'm sure you have at least 5 or 6...Right!

Real boxing fans already know Floyd is a coward.

In fact Floyd is regarded by the WHOLE WORLD as a coward.

Of course save for a few paid *****-**** stans here. Like you.

[Bushbaby]

At the points in their career,when they fought Margarito was no where near as good as Pavlik!!But I'd love to hear Ur explanation as to how Margarito coming off a year of being suspended for cheating,(after being destroyed by Mosley) & beating a cabdriver was better than Pavlik,destroying Taylor & being favored over B-Hop!!

They don't understand.

But the Margarito win was better than the Pavlik win! LOL! It's a better win when everyone and their mom knew Manny was gonna smash, but most people thought BHOP was gonna get blasted out vs Pavlik. LOL!!!!

I asked him that in the post above urs,he never answered,I wonder why?

[Doctor_Tenma]

Really so what's the excuse for him not facing Roy for a lot sooner? Also guys like Toney, Calzaghe, Benn, and Eubank were great champions one division north when MW was hot garbage. Can we not flip it and say if that was Manny and Floyd the would have tried to jump one weight class and face them?

Now I'm not saying b-hop should have done that, just pointing out the logic you are using.

BTW it took a Don King forced tourney for B-Hop and those top MWs to face each other because years went by without the best fighting the best there. Don't tell me you forgot that?

Honestly, that I have no answer for. Before I was even a boxing fan I was a ODLH fan, then a B-Hop fan, I started to follow the sport in 02? Can't really remember, but whenever boxing was on I was sure to watch, I had an illegal cable box at the time too

Also, I don't see how he could have faced Toney.