BHOP>Manny>FMJr

[Doctor_Tenma]

oh yea, not to mention dude has about 9 fights after the age of 40.


bojangles,

manny's been picking and choosing, he hasn't fought anywhere near the amount of fighters with different styles and sizes that bhop has. it's not even close.

while manny's win and draw over jmm and his barrera and revenge against morales are VERY impressive, I thikn bhop has the better overal resume AT THIS TIME. Manny certainly has plenty of time to change that IMO. I'm really not trying to shi t on manny's resume because I think he's close to atg status, but bhop is definitely atg status.

no clear losses either, I might add. every l he has maybe since roy is most certainly arguable at least.

Same here

Athough I do my best to keep that to myself, too many ***riders on here. People are too cought up with belts now.

[Left Hook Tua]

and cotto was a tuneup?

and the margarito win was more impressive than the pavlik win

when did i say cotto was a tuneup?

don't put words in my mouth.



and i said margarito is a greater fighter than pavlik. which is the truth.

which win is more impressive is debatable.

[Left Hook Tua]

correct, and someone did say that.

pac can and should step his game up.

he's not cleaning out ww either bojangles, his last fight was at jmw. cleaning it up is unifying all the belts

look at this ****** clown.

pac has been a 147 champ for 1 year and he's talking about how come he's not unifying the belts.

hopkins was champ at 160 for 7-8 years and didn't try to unify ****.

tito set up those unification bouts.

[Walt Liquor]

look at this ****** clown.

pac has been a 147 champ for 1 year and he's talking about how come he's not unifying the belts.

hopkins was champ at 160 for 7-8 years and didn't try to unify ****.

tito set up those unification bouts.

wasn't talking to you, bojangles said he was cleaning up ww right now.

i don't think he is. that's a legit argument considering pac's last fight was at 154.

who cares if tito set it up. he unified.

[Khalid X]

I love B-Hop but people are only seeing what they wanna see.

Dude fought a ton of bums as well. This ain't no diss because every fighter does it it's just Manny and Floyd get big money to do so.

Also, you can say Manny and Floyd had unfinished business compared to B-Hop when Bernard sat in a division for over 10 years. Of course you would end up fighting every. Now if you are jumping classes then there will always be fighters you don't face, just due to the fact there are so many fighters and you can only fight so many times a year.

In reality people claimed Manny and Floyd duck top fighters and that's blow outta porportion. If you would have followed the sport for 15 years plus, then you know what I'm talking about.

Truth is this; the only fighter I could see and argument for Floyd ducking is Cotto ( that's kinda a reach), Stevie Johnston and Paul Spadafora. All three are reaches but the only one I truly felt he ducked was Stevie Johnston.

With Manny, dude hasn't ducked any one an it's bull**** to even suggest he has.

I mean we can say b-hop ducked Williams, Roy rematch, and Dawson but those are reaches as well.

It really boils down to fans getting upset because a fighter doesn't fight a guy a fan wants to see them face. I hate to break it to you but boxing has always worked like that. Name me any ATG and I can easily point out a fight they should have taken but didn't. They weren't suckers either it's just certain things prevent bouts from happening.

[Left Hook Tua]

wasn't talking to you, bojangles said he was cleaning up ww right now.

i don't think he is. that's a legit argument considering pac's last fight was at 154.

who cares if tito set it up. he unified.

you're offbase on this , man.

i don't care if you criticize pac and may. they've done some things to be criticized.


but to do it in the context of bigging up hopkins is not smart.

catchweights? bernard does catchweights bernard is the bigger man against the smaller man moving up.

fighting shot or old fighters? bernard freaking just fought roy jones for god's sake.

[Walt Liquor]

I love B-Hop but people are only seeing what they wanna see.

Dude fought a ton of bums as well. This ain't no diss because every fighter does it it's just Manny and Floyd get big money to do so.

Also, you can say Manny and Floyd had unfinished business compared to B-Hop when Bernard sat in a division for over 10 years. Of course you would end up fighting every. Now if you are jumping classes then there will always be fighters you don't face, just due to the fact there are so many fighters and you can only fight so many times a year.

In reality people claimed Manny and Floyd duck top fighters and that's blow outta porportion. If you would have followed the sport for 15 years plus, then you know what I'm talking about.

Truth is this; the only fighter I could see and argument for Floyd ducking is Cotto ( that's kinda a reach), Stevie Johnston and Paul Spadafora. All three are reaches but the only one I truly felt he ducked was Stevie Johnston.

With Manny, dude hasn't ducked any one an it's bull**** to even suggest he has.

I mean we can say b-hop ducked Williams, Roy rematch, and Dawson but those are reaches as well.

It really boils down to fans getting upset because a fighter doesn't fight a guy a fan wants to see them face. I hate to break it to you but boxing has always worked like that. Name me any ATG and I can easily point out a fight they should have taken but didn't. They weren't suckers either it's just certain things prevent bouts from happening.

this post is saying nothing. All I'm saying is that i think its more impressive than bouncing around and picking and choosing.

you're also ignoring the fact that bhop faced more different styles, more undefeated fighters, more champions, and fought at a world class level until 45 and is still going. bhop also posessed 2 lineal championships that were legit (by that I mean much more superior than beating baldo for the lineal title when margs was clearly the best ww at the time with like 11 defenses).)

bhop also bounced around but he did stay at a division and dominate for over a decade and broke the middleweight defense record. bhop made history

of course you can pick at things but his accomplishments and challenges trump

not to mention how many fights he took he was supposed to lose

[CaRnAgEViOLaToR]

I didnt give Bernard any credit for beating up Roy Jones just like I didn't give Pacman credit for beating up on a fighter that looked weak ass **** in his prevoius fight, got absolutely demolished by a Shane Mosley who ain't even in his prime anymore and he also ****in made Margarito lose weight for a paper title. I'm sorry but to me, Hopkins win over Roy Jones = Pac's win over Margarito. I'll pick any of these young guys at 140-160 to do to dominate Margarito.

[Khalid X]

People need to quit putting emotion in front of facts and logic.

You can diss Floyd and Manny for doing what every fighter in the sport has done and will continue to do.

For instance people are hyping up Martinez when he is facing a bum in Andy Lee. What's funny is he could have faced Pirog but guess what his reason was as to not fighting him? Pirog has no fans, bring no money and no one knows who he is. Same **** with Dzin a guy who has been a top 3 JMW for a while. Dzin called him out Sergio said no one knows who he is so why should he face him.

B-hop pulled the same thing with Dawson and Williams as well but you guys make excuses and turn a blind eye to it because you only see what you wanna see.

Insert Floyd and Manny's name into those sentences and all he'll breaks loose. I don't think it's wrong to call either out but please keep it 100 and get of the double standards. All these fighters are the same and the sooner you realize it the better it will be as far as enjoying the sport.

[Walt Liquor]

you're offbase on this , man.

i don't care if you criticize pac and may. they've done some things to be criticized.


but to do it in the context of bigging up hopkins is not smart.

catchweights? bernard does catchweights bernard is the bigger man against the smaller man moving up.

fighting shot or old fighters? bernard freaking just fought roy jones for god's sake.

yes, bhop has done catchweights and taken some soft touches. not as many as floyd and manny imo.

Pascal, win or lose was a tougher fight than any floyd fight in his last 5 years, and any manny fight in awhile, except cotto- arguably (cotto had been ko'd by margs).

the tarver fight.

the jocal fight.

the pavlik fight.

all are better than anything floyd in 5 years

and slightly better than what pac has done in the last 5 yrs (jmm and cotto wins)