A fighter coming off from a loss. Do you believe on this crap?

[ALG United]

Yuri's leg punished Yuri....there are 12 rounds to a fight-if his knee wouldn't have gave out we would have seen the whole fight.It is likely that Cotto would have faded as he has in most of his fights.....lots of ifs and not anything to really guage where Cotto is at from that fight.I just know that Cotto looks more plodding and flat to me than he did before the Tony beatdown.

Yes just like what you say there's a lot of ifs and buts, But i don't believe in fighters being broken just because of losing that precious 0... If that's the case Ali should have stopped when he lost his ZERO to Frazier, or Leonard when he lost it to Duran, or Cesar Chavez when he lost it to Randall and many other greats, if this fighters stopped fighting they wouldn't have reached their full potentials and wouldn't have been the ATG's that they truly are...

[jonesroy]

I personally believe and had Dirrell WINNING the Froch fight and the similarity between both Dirrell and Froch's losses were that they both felt they won their losses (they both felt they got robbed by being in the opponents hometown)....not to mention that they didn't get ko'd! VERY big difference in losses that we are talking about-don't be so oblivious.

Your "prime" can certainly be ended by one devastating loss.Fighters become more hesitant when they would initially go all out,because they are worried about getting hit again or second guessing themselves.Punch resistance can ultimately drop after a major ko as well and a fighter can be more inclined to get sparked by punches that never used to phase them....

I had Dirrell winning as well against Froch, but Froch did lose to Kessler. However, Dirrell did become more aggressive against Abraham, Froch became less reckless and boxed more. They both clearly learned from their losses, instead of using them as an excuse to lose again.

[damned1974]

Yes just like what you say there's a lot of ifs and buts, But i don't believe in fighters being broken just because of losing that precious 0... If that's the case Ali should have stopped when he lost his ZERO to Frazier, or Leonard when he lost it to Duran, or Cesar Chavez when he lost it to Randall and many other greats, if this fighters stopped fighting they wouldn't have reached their full potentials and wouldn't have been the ATG's that they truly are...

You can NEVER say every fighter is effected the same way-there are certain circumstances in fights where ko's will damage fighters.To ignore this is negligent-that is why Cotto was put in against a bum for the belt.In fact,most fighters are put in against easy fights after beatdowns to guage where they are at in their careers both physically and mentally.The idea is to fade the beaten fighter into better competition-not throw them in the deep end when they are not ready.

The era of boxing you are talking is a much different one with fighters who are in fact ATGs.I wouldn't consider the opponents of Manny's to be as elite as the fighters you have mentioned.

[damned1974]

I had Dirrell winning as well against Froch, but Froch did lose to Kessler. However, Dirrell did become more aggressive against Abraham, Froch became less reckless and boxed more. They both clearly learned from their losses, instead of using them as an excuse to lose again.

We are talking different circumstances-it isn't so black and white as you are implying.In fact,what I am talking isn't about just a mere loss by a debatable decision...I am talking about losses that may have damaged the fighter's mental state/psychological state and changed the way they approach fights.In some cases,when you are knocked out drastically-your punch resistance is severely changed...with fighters who are normally aggressive,they seem to fight more cautious.

Manny's opponents were only 1-2 fights from taking severe beatings...they weren't just faded back into the mix of fighting the elite-they were thrown in the deep end,and if they had anything left-they were asked for a catchweight just for good measure and advantage for Pac.I personally like to see fair fights....

[jonesroy]

We are talking different circumstances-it isn't so black and white as you are implying.In fact,what I am talking isn't about just a mere loss by a debatable decision...I am talking about losses that may have damaged the fighter's mental state/psychological state and changed the way they approach fights.In some cases,when you are knocked out drastically-your punch resistance is severely changed...with fighters who are normally aggressive,they seem to fight more cautious.

Manny's opponents were only 1-2 fights from taking severe beatings...they weren't just faded back into the mix of fighting the elite-they were thrown in the deep end,and if they had anything left-they were asked for a catchweight just for good measure and advantage for Pac.I personally like to see fair fights....

"mental state/ psychological state" - what does this mean exactly? If you're talking about fights that occur once a fighter's gotten old, then "coming off a loss" is just an excuse. They're losing b/c they're old.

[SplitSecond]

lmao-so Ricky Hatton looked at his best after Floyd stopped him?

You must have preached that rhetoric to Roy Jones (I am not counting the Montell Griffin fight) cause he hasn't been "prime" since his first ko either,yet you seem to think these beat-up fighters will be even better than ever! lol

ur one of the idiots im talkin about
and yea, ricky hatton was doing great, but he lost to pac because he could never beat him to begin with

and how quickly did jones run back to the ring? was'nt it obvious he was pumped? i guarantee you he trained his ass off to erase that defeat by tarvers hand, but like i said, people can become too eager and hungry and at that point might miss the whole picture, but they are in the best shape of their lives and mentally bloodthirsty

getting ko'd twice in a row after giving your all like that is what will shatter most mens ego's, but the first loss is rejuvanating for most

[jonesroy]

ur one of the idiots im talkin about
and yea, ricky hatton was doing great, but he lost to pac because he could never beat him to begin with

and how quickly did jones run back to the ring? was'nt it obvious he was pumped? i guarantee you he trained his ass off to erase that defeat by tarvers hand, but like i said, people can become too eager and hungry and at that point might miss the whole picture, but they are in the best shape of their lives and mentally bloodthirsty

getting ko'd twice in a row after giving your all like that is what will shatter most mens ego's, but the first loss is rejuvanating for most

Jones lost to Tarver and everyone else b/c he was old. It had nothing to do with eagerness, hunger, or ego. A prime Jones would have destroyed Johnson and Danny Green. As for Hatton, he was coming of a couple of wins and looked good against Paulie, but like you said Pac is just at another level.

[al-Xander]

Paul Williams' next opponent will be expected to win based on
****** idiots' theory. You'd wonder why promoters still had to
make such fights happen. Training and long hours of preparation
mean nothing according to these ****** idiots' assumptions. I'm
glad I'm not into this ****** theory and I can still enjoy boxing
as it's always been.

So make no mistake. If P Will loses in his next fight, no credit will
be given to his opponent. Otherwise, his opponent gotta be one
of the weakest fighters in the world. See how ****** it is?

[damned1974]

ur one of the idiots im talkin about
and yea, ricky hatton was doing great, but he lost to pac because he could never beat him to begin with

and how quickly did jones run back to the ring? was'nt it obvious he was pumped? i guarantee you he trained his ass off to erase that defeat by tarvers hand, but like i said, people can become too eager and hungry and at that point might miss the whole picture, but they are in the best shape of their lives and mentally bloodthirsty

getting ko'd twice in a row after giving your all like that is what will shatter most mens ego's, but the first loss is rejuvanating for most

LOL!!!! Yeah,I'm an idiot...yet you say Hatton looked great after his stoppage from Floyd!
Unbelievable...

Again-you said fighters are better after a loss-Jones got ktfo and Hatton looked like dung against Juan Lazcano,who he got sent on ***** street against! How was he not able to take powder puff Lazcano's punches,yet ate everything Kostya Tszyu dished out to him???? Fighters CAN be changed after getting knocked out....why you fail to notice this is beyond me....yet you call me an idiot...lmfao

btw-do you think Jones looked "bloodthirsty" as you say in the 3rd fight with Tarver-lmao! You are a true clown.

[damned1974]

"mental state/ psychological state" - what does this mean exactly? If you're talking about fights that occur once a fighter's gotten old, then "coming off a loss" is just an excuse. They're losing b/c they're old.

If I have to explain this again after a series of posts,then I give up.Re-read my previous posts,maybe then you will understand....or maybe you will still be in denial and believe in your "that's just an excuse" theory to glorify some of Pac's pattern picked opponents.For me and many others,there is a definite pattern of opponent and circumstances with them-only a fool cannot see it.