A fighter coming off from a loss. Do you believe on this crap?

[damned1974]

Some people would say that a fighter that comes off from a loss shouldn't fight an elite boxer. Is it because he is not psychologically ready? That there is some baggage with him inside his mind because of that loss? Shouldn't he be motivated to win and have that never say die spirit and prove to the world that he can go against all odds to defeat the ghost of his Christmas past? Shouldn't that be the attitude of fighters?
Remember pac came from 3 losses and where is he now? He lost to em, beat hector velasquez via tko and ko'ed em on a rematch after that!
Take the case of froch. He lost to kessler but came back and whooped abraham's ass.
****in losses don't mean a thing. This idiots are just mirroring themselves over this fighters. But this fighters are fighters. They are not losers.

If losses don't mean anything,then why is Manny fighting guys that have had recent losses by ko? Of course it effects fighters differently depending on the circumstances and the type of loss,but Manny has seemed to gravitate towards fighters who looked pretty ordinary after being beaten up and ko'd.

The examples you are using hold no bearing (Froch) because in that fighters eyes,they believe a hometown decision is the reason for the loss.Let's face it,Manny isn't fighting guys who have only lost by close or controversial decisions-he is fighting them coming off of devastating losses that have changed their careers.

[THUG LIFE]

It's all about form. A fighter who has just been soundly beaten by a top contender doesn't deserve to go into a rebound fight against another top contender right after. It's all about rankings and stringing wins together. This doesn't necessarily apply to the elite.

[Kagami Taiga]

If losses don't mean anything,then why is Manny fighting guys that have had recent losses by ko? Of course it effects fighters differently depending on the circumstances and the type of loss,but Manny has seemed to gravitate towards fighters who looked pretty ordinary after being beaten up and ko'd.

The examples you are using hold no bearing (Froch) because in that fighters eyes,they believe a hometown decision is the reason for the loss.Let's face it,Manny isn't fighting guys who have only lost by close or controversial decisions-he is fighting them coming off of devastating losses that have changed their careers.

this.

i cant believe that u ppl dont understand that there are different types of losses they arent all the same. cotto was batter by margs, margs was battered by mosely, mosely was humiliated by mayweather. see where im going here???

[damned1974]

So you're asserting that pac fought fighters coming off from a loss? If that so then that assertion is flawed. Why accuse pac falsely, when in fact only fighters coming off loses that pac faced are clottey and mab on their 2nd fight.

Needing a tune up fight? That's exactly what happened to:

Cotto: he ko'ed jenkins
Hatton: he ko'ed mali***gi
De la hoya: wide ud against forbes

And there are people saying josh won against cotto too. So in this case coming off a loss doe'snt go in to equation.

Haters really..tsk.tsk.

Cotto looked hesitant and slower after he got beat to a pulp.He was not as dynamic-no way,no how.Watch his fights before Margarito and then after and you will see that he has lost something.A fight against JENNINGS was nothing more than a free belt-Michael Jennings never even fought the level of competition of a damaged Cotto.He is a bum.

Hatton's "ko" of Malignaggi was a win where Ricky had nothing to fear when he walked into Paulie's feather-dusters.Why don't you mention the Lazcano fight where he was rocked a few times badly from very weak shots.Funny how he could take Kostya Tszyu's best punches,yet AFTER Hatton got ko'd from Floyd,he couldn't take a left from a weak puncher that was past his prime himself!

As for Oscar-we all know he was weight drained to the bone and if you looked at both him and Forbes after the fight,Oscar's face made him look like a loser against an ordinary opponent.I don't really blame Manny for taking this fight,because everyone wanted to fight Oscar as it is a good payday and brings a good name on your record (unless you are ripped off like Felix Sturm was).

There are a lot of good names on Manny's resume,but it is at precise times in these fighter's careers where they were past their best (this trend has really stood out in his last several fights after he fought Marquez),and if they appeared to have any fight left in them,then Manny had them strip a few pounds off before he would fight them.Manny has gotten away with having all the main advantages,or he simply won't fight these guys.

Now if the rumours are true,Manny is sticking to his trend/pattern and fighting Mosely-I don't need to mention any more!

[mexicali]

I don't think you should call yourself a nobody, I just which people on these threads would give opinions based on all the facts and not just facts that suit their fighter. I think before the tune ups and styles excuses are used, people need to consider more concrete facts like the age, size, and maybe fight location.

My opinion is boxing in general, atleast I think it is. Im talking about all fighters not just one. Point Im trying to get across is some need tune-ups others don't.
Now if your talking about biased opinions I think your partners opinions are Pro-Pac. And yours also to a certain extent. Seems like you guys are trying to justify, and convince everyone that losses don't affect the defeated. When clearly they do. Not all but they do. Now im pretty sure Goosen Tutor, has just a little bit more experience than you in the fight game, and is wise to not want to let Paul Williams go for an immediate rematch. More than likely going to have a tune-up.

[SplitSecond]

people are ******, your at your best after your first loss, esspecially when your going up against the best in the world

though that first loss will gives you the motivation to train like you were just starting out again, it can also make you miss the big picture in the ring

a disputed loss is a good way to reach your peak

[jonesroy]

Why do all these threads eventually become about Pac/Floyd. They beat their opponents b/c they're just at a different level.

[jonesroy]

My opinion is boxing in general, atleast I think it is. Im talking about all fighters not just one. Point Im trying to get across is some need tune-ups others don't.
Now if your talking about biased opinions I think your partners opinions are Pro-Pac. And yours also to a certain extent. Seems like you guys are trying to justify, and convince everyone that losses don't affect the defeated. When clearly they do. Not all but they do. Now im pretty sure Goosen Tutor, has just a little bit more experience than you in the fight game, and is wise to not want to let Paul Williams go for an immediate rematch. More than likely going to have a tune-up.

I'm not sure which of my opinions are biased; i'm not Fillipino, American, or European, but there are definitely a lot of pac/floyd haters asserting their BS on these threads. Be honest, is Hopkins losing tonight have anything to do with styles or is it b/c of his age? As for Williams,I picked him to beat Martinez in their first fight like everyone did, but I picked him to lose the rematch b/c of how impressive Martinez was in his fights with Williams and Pavlik. That devestating KO reminds us that Williams is not a middleweight. When the eventual 3rd fight happens in a couple of years, I'll be going with Willilams b/c by then he'll be an actual middleweight and Martinez will be past his prime.

[damned1974]

Why do all these threads eventually become about Pac/Floyd. They beat their opponents b/c they're just at a different level.

Well,if Manny fought these type of guys as an isolated instance,it would be one thing,but he has made his name off of it in his last several fights while "moving up" in weight divisions-and all consecutively!!!He is definitely on a different level to disadvantaged and beaten-up opponents,I agree!

[jonesroy]

Well,if Manny fought these type of guys as an isolated instance,it would be one thing,but he has made his name off of it in his last several fights while "moving up" in weight divisions-and all consecutively!!!He is definitely on a different level to disadvantaged and beaten-up opponents,I agree!

Every fighter that Pac has beaten in the last couple of years has been coming off a win, except for Clottey who lost a split decision. As for beaten up opponents, Pac himself has gone through a lot of tough fights in his career. As for people hating Floyd, how impressive was Mosley in his fight with Margarito before getting beat up by Floyd? You can say Mosley lost b/c he was old, but it's not about style or tune ups or PEDs or whatever.