Who is TECHNICALLY better? David Haye or Wladamir Klitschko?

[Walt Liquor]

Wlad is easily the better technician, his jab, right hand etc are all beautifully textbook.

Haye has learnt to fight bigger men by staying outside of the range of the jab and then jumping in with his right hand or left hook, he's an aggressive counter puncher. Which means not all of his punches are going to be textbook since he's adapting to the position of an opponent.

He has a good jab when he uses it and he can punch very hard off the back foot which Wladimir can't do, he has good footwork in terms of he can generate power in any position but his feet are wide apart and in means he looks clumsy at times.

Despite this Wlad is a textbook boxer and is better technically, when you go to the gym for the first time as a tall fighter he does all the basics a newcomer is told to do and does them very very well.

the footwork is the biggest difference to me. Haye throws punches well and has a jab. Wlad's double and triple jabs are another advantage wlad.

[IronDanHamza]

Wlad is far more technically sound. It isnt even an argument. Haye is more like a Naz or Roy Jones. He gets by on his speed. Which is why a guy like Hopkins who is more technically sound then Roy can still fight at the top level once he slows down. Roy cant fall back on his technical skills.

I agree. I used the Roy Jones Bernard Hopkins comparison during the discussion.

[IronDanHamza]

the footwork is the biggest difference to me. Haye throws punches well and has a jab. Wlad's double and triple jabs are another advantage wlad.

I think Haye has faster feet but i think Wlad has better all round footwork personally.

[hugh grant]

Wlad maybe better tecnically, but then that can be a bit predictable. What Wlad does haye has probably read in a book.

Haye isnt expecting anything out of the ordinary and Wlad is almost predictable. Maybe thats why Haye is hard to beat and hit. He is unorthodox in how he does things.

[dvb]

textbook technique it would be wlad.

He has a limited set of combinations and skills he uses in a fight,but does them all well.

strong jab then the big right hand,left hook isnt used much,but he does it well when he unleashes it,he does have a dangerous uppercut,but ive not seen it used to much,certantly not together with the jab and hook

footwork for a big man is good.defense is limited to only the clinch and occasional lean on someone,which also tires them out nicely.

Haye is a dangerous aggresive counter puncher.
He makes people miss with slight head movements and comes back with 3 punch plus combinations,gets out of range,makes them miss,gets in range,quick punch combinations then ducks back out and away from range.

He used his quickness to make ruiz's clinch game almost non existant,and did manage to avoid ruiz closing him down and stop ruiz using the jab to much effective,even with Haye going 4 weeks with no sparring before that fight.

His footwork and movement is good.He can use a good jab when needed.Powerful in both hands.

He uses the low left hand that comes up quickly and people dont see it coming.

Haye has better combinations,better speed,faster footwork,better head movement. is good with range and timing his attacks.

Haye can do more but doesnt do it as technically well as wlad does his limited set of tricks.

but haye has more speed and the power to stop people being effective usually.

and when he does get caught he gets up and has the heart to fight on and close the show on people.
both have great conditioning.


Haye is normally more active,when wlad gets forced to be more active than he usually is and gets put into a high pace fight he will get tired more quickly as he wont be prepared for it physically or mentally.

He usually has such height & reach and even footwork advatange over smaller guys who dont have the footwork speed or power combined to trouble him,so they cant get to him effectively to get him into going into a higher gear than he wants to be in,to have to open up more and get his shots off quicker and to have to move back to avoid punches and to even punch when going backwards.

[BrooklynBomber]

Look, I can boast about Wlad's footwork or punching all night long, but just to make it easy, look at which part of the glove Haye lands when he throw a flurry and which part of the glove does Wlad land when he hits an opponent. Wlad always lands with upper knuckle area of the glove, with Haye it's all over the place, his punching is wastly inferior from a technical standpoint then Wlad's.

Another point is Haye's movement, his pretty much only effective distance is mid distance and his bread and butter move is an overhand right counter. He is not really a good backfoot puncher like Dirrel, he still shifts all of his weight from back to front when he throws the counter. Haye is sorta the athletic guy who learned some cool boxing moves, but is not sure why and when to use them.

[Mugwump]

I don't get it. It's not even close. Haye is an athletic fighter. Wlad is an athletic technically sound boxer with a stone cold right hound. He fights with a textbook boxing style.

Less textbook than Ikea assembly instructions. Look, Wlad does the basics ok. But let's not get this crazy notion that he's some kind of Zen guru because he isn't.

And whose textbook are we following here? The one I've read says you should keep your head moving at all times but maybe Wlad has some different version because his head seems bolted to his torso like that of Frankenstein's monster.

Wlad is boxing by numbers. Which makes him a textbook fighter - sure.

[intoccabile]

all wlad can do is jab jab and hold, throws the odd right but holds if they get in

haye would out box and knock wlad out when they fought

haye bya country mile

You dont seem to understand the question. Here, I'll fix this for you.

Haye Crosses His Feet.
Haye moves and lets his heels hit the mat first.
Haye doesn't jab
Haye doesn't throw straight punches, everything is wild, over the top, or underneathe.
Haye doesn't keep his hands up.

These are hangs haye doesn't do, that Wlad does. TECHNCIALLY haye is FAR inferior to wlad. are you people really that dumb that you cant read a simple ****ing question? Jesus..

[hugh grant]

Haye might be lucky in that if he hurts Wlad, the ref will stop the fight. Thats what usually happens in Hayes fights.

The ref shouldnt stop it as that is when it would get interesting for us and haye. Haye would go hell for leather but because Haye is vulnerable he is open to be countered when his opponent is hurt

[CarlosG815]

Haye has among the most horrendous footwork I have seen from any heavyweight.

He is inferior to Wlad in every way.