Comments Thread For: Pacquiao's Adviser: Mayweather Waiting For Manny To Age

[Pacquiao'd]

Arum didn't want Floyd to fight Cotto because Cotto wasn't ready, I don't have a link or I would show you this BUT im sure you actually know this. Its old news but people like to state that Floyd ducked Cotto because Pac fought him.

Margarito is arguable BUT I'll give you that one. We can agree that Floyd ducked this cheater (that would NEVER in a million years have beat Floyd).

Clottey? GTFOH with that shyt. Who the hell is this guy again? Nobody... a never has been that beat who? Judah? lol He's a ga stepping stone. Pac fighting him AT 147 (second fight AT 147) validates my point btw.

Pac ducked Mosley and waited until he got old(er) and team Pac NOW knows this. UNLIKE when Shane came off a KO win over Margarito to become the man at 147 that Floyd took to school.

See the light? A pac thread stating BS about Mayweather "waiting" for Pac to get "old" when Pac just waited on Mosley... irony.

floyd didnt duck. arum didnt want to make the fight with cotto and marg b.c he didnt think the fight would generate enough money to give floyd 8 mil for marg,10 for cotto and hatton and 25 for dlh

i can post the quote if youd like. floyd didnt duck any of these guys. look to arum for that

[balintawak]

Negotiations & Cutoff

You don't have clue what you are talking about. In negotiation, boxers negotiate on terms outside the commission requirements; they all ask for different things. The thing Manny asked for were things that benefited him, eg. gloves size, weight penalties, and purse split. The thing Mayweather ask for was Random testing for both fighters. This is not advantageous to either fighter and benefits the sport well, but Manny refused.

You tell me, the one who refuse something that benefit both fighters and the sport, or the one who propose a stipulation that benefit the sport and everyone involved, who wants the fight more?

I don't think you have any idea about negotiation. Do you think glove size and weight penalties apply to just one party? Just as the terms of testing applies to both, so do all the terms stipulated.

With regards to purse split, this again is a negotiated term. Both parties sit down, make their arguments heard and try to decide what is a fair split - this is what goes on in a negotiation.

As for your point on random testing. Both sides have agreed to random testing, but whether you like it or not, there is an implied cutoff point. Where they disagree is the explicit cutoff date. If you have difficulty in grasping this concept, then maybe you also believe that drug testers should be siphoning blood while the fighters are engaged in their stare-down.

Your concept of 'random' without limits is impractical and idealogically immature.

[jbpanama]

sure it is bc he KNEW pac wouldnt accept

Got to admit, no one PUNKS OUT, like
the MASTER of AVOIDANCE!!!
Test AFTER the fight not good enough for U el CHUMPO???

[jbpanama]

You don't have clue what you are talking about. In negotiation, boxers negotiate on terms outside the commission requirements; they all ask for different things. The thing Manny asked for were things that benefited him, eg. gloves size, weight penalties, and purse split. The thing Mayweather ask for was Random testing for both fighters. This is not advantageous to either fighter and benefits the sport well, but Manny refused.

You tell me, the one who refuse something that benefit both fighters and the sport, or the one who propose a stipulation that benefit the sport and everyone involved, who wants the fight more?

BOY dosen't make the RULES...******O!!!

[waxfondler]

You don't have clue what you are talking about. In negotiation, boxers negotiate on terms outside the commission requirements; they all ask for different things. The thing Manny asked for were things that benefited him, eg. gloves size, weight penalties, and purse split. The thing Mayweather ask for was Random testing for both fighters. This is not advantageous to either fighter and benefits the sport well, but Manny refused.

You tell me, the one who refuse something that benefit both fighters and the sport, or the one who propose a stipulation that benefit the sport and everyone involved, who wants the fight more?

get the hell out of here with that "benefit the sport" crap...
we all know the "roid" issue was a last minute attempt to posture up.
there were ABSOLUTELY no "roid" issue or speculation until floyd sr's baseless accusation & idiots like malignaggi started parroting...
glove size, ring size, purse split, entrance, headline, etc are ALL NORMAL negotiation items... why do you think sergio walked in FIRST before p-will when sergio is the defending champion??? it was agreed upon.
although both parties can make any crazy demand they want (they can even demand wearing chicken suits if wanted), my problem was that team mayweather MADE an issue when there was no issue AT ALL... at the time, pacquiao was the top guy, OF COURSE he gets his demands met... but publicly accusing a person of wrong doing with absolutely NO PROOF is where the line gets drawn.... IMO, once floyd beat shane, then floyd had a bit more negotiating leverage. pac's mistake & major fault is choosing to not comply to please his fans & make the fight happen... it only made the issue look worse.

regarding floyd, the "keeping the sport clean" argument is a bit absurd when the guy cant keep his life clean... floyd BETTER do USADA testing for all his fights for the rest of his career... once he doesnt, then we know what the demand was REALLY all about.

[jbpanama]

Wait up !!!! I..I..i..thought Pac fights for legacy and Mayweather fights for money?

And , BOY PUNKS OUT cause
it seems the SMART thing to do!!!

[WESS]

floyd didnt duck. arum didnt want to make the fight with cotto and marg b.c he didnt think the fight would generate enough money to give floyd 8 mil for marg,10 for cotto and hatton and 25 for dlh

i can post the quote if youd like. floyd didnt duck any of these guys. look to arum for that

He didn't "duck" Cotto, but its arguable about Margarito yet the money in fact WASN'T there for the fight. (HEY what do you know the same excuse people are attempting to use for Pac about not fighting #2 WW in Berto).

Anyway It doesn't matter about Margarito who was #2 WW at the time. Floyd beat the #1 and #3 WW's before moving UP to 154 and fighting De La Hoya (and firing Arum). Margarito was and will always be shyt that FLoyd would take to school for 12 rounds. I do blame Arum for a lot of things. I wont say Floyd ducked Cotto because that is in correct. Margarito is arguable if you use the "money excuse" as Pac is now doing.

Clottey is just shyt. He doesn't even deserve a fight especially back then. Again he is ONLY mentioned because Pac fought him. That's like me attempting to say that Pac ducked Judah because Floyd beat him and he WAS #3 WW.... its ******. Anyone who think Floyd should have fought Clottey is a f**king moron. Pac "cheery picked" that fool and if Floyd WOULD have fought him, he would have been bashed for fighting a stepping stone that cant ever whena fight. He's just a punching bag with defense.

[Jexy55]

Lol damn Pacs team say the ******est ****, considering Floyd is older and Freddie said that Floyd had lost his legs after the Shane fight.

[-Kev-]

Mayweather is 2 years older than Pacquiao.

Mayweather will be 34 in Feb 2011, Pacquiao will be 32 later this month.

If he means aging by numbers then he's ******ed. If he means aging by slowing down, he's still ******ed.

If anything, Mayweather will slow down from inactivity worst than Pacquiao. Mayweather has already shown lots of signs of slowing down and being less elusive. Manny has never been elusive, couldn't even evade Margarito[43% power shots landed on Pacquiao], a guy who the not-slick-at-all Mosley kept just at 26% power shots and 22% overall.

[balintawak]

Standard Rules & Negotiation

again, you fail. your comprehension sucks.

what part of UNANOUNCED CUT OFF determined by the USADA notthe fighters dont you understand?

Let me remind you that the whole concept of OST style random testing is not standard to boxing (hence the name 'Olympic Style Testing'). Since this is not a standard law in the boxing coummunity and was only proposed by the Mayweather camp during negotiation, then every term uncluding the cutoff dates are under negotiation.

You keep quoting the USADA as if they have already set this as a standard rule in boxing - they have not. Everything can be negotiated - even your intelligence.