Comments Thread For: Marquez Deserves The Pacquiao Fight, Not Shane Mosley

[Rome-By-Ko]

its a tough call... when youre on top (like pac/floyd), everyone looks like easy fights.... the only tough fight for pac is sergio & other bigger guys... theres NOBODY @ WW that peaks interest... all the 140lb'ers are ALL prospects (they would get demolished by pac)...

pac gave up 20lbs to margs... whether you want to admit it or not, pac gave margs PLENTY of size advantages. consider it a handicap, since most felt like pac was going to outclass margs anyway. not a great accomplishment, but respectable.

thats like if floyd gave 20lbs to pavlik for a fight at catchweight... i would give floyd respect for fighting a bigger & stronger guy... even though we KNOW floyd will work this dude. still respectable. making jmm move up 20lbs and not respecting weight limit: not so respectable. LOL.

either way... pac/floyd arent even HUNGRY anymore, they dont have to work for their money... we freely THROW it at them.

Bradley would give Pac trouble..

[Top_Shotta]

[QUOTE=BIGPOPPAPUMP;9726870]By Keith Idec - If Manny Pacquiao doesn’t fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. next, he should face Juan Manuel Marquez a third time.

I agree Keith.

[waxfondler]

JMM lost imo twice to Pac,this fight will not have a different outcome..

i had pac win the first one (razor close)... and the second one was up for debate, but was a toss-up regardless.

if people dont appreciate a fighter going for the KO, then they can get in line for rigondeaux, LOL... personally, i appreciate a fighter going for a KO. i have no problem rewarding them a point for it.... so when a fight is close, and the deciding factor were knockdowns, im not gonna whine about it... people act like it was a robbery... it WASNT. it was close.

pac/jmm @ 147, jmm would get hurt...
pac/jmm @ 140, closer... but pac would edge it out.

[Rome-By-Ko]

i had pac win the first one (razor close)... and the second one was up for debate, but was a toss-up regardless.

if people dont appreciate a fighter going for the KO, then they can get in line for rigondeaux, LOL... personally, i appreciate a fighter going for a KO. i have no problem rewarding them a point for it.... so when a fight is close, and the deciding factor were knockdowns, im not gonna whine about it... people act like it was a robbery... it WASNT. it was close.

pac/jmm @ 147, jmm would get hurt...
pac/jmm @ 140, closer... but pac would edge it out.

I agree with this post..

[GRUSTLER]

Lead I respect you alot,but tbh your bugging JMM is a great fighter..But Pac is league's ahead of JMM..Pac beat this dude one handed and now that Pac has come full circle he would destroy JMM if they fought right now..

That could be a possibility but Pac ain't rushing
to make the fight at 140 since if he is so much more
better and developed than Marquez. He ain't rushing
for Berto either who would mean more because of the
title he holds, being primed and having an undefeated
record. Pac and Arum prefers Mosley who got outclassed
and shut out in one fight and look horrible to a draw in
the other. If that doesn't say easy fight to me, I don't
know what is. BUT hey! Who knows, because after
Mayorga people put the nail in Shane's coffin and when
he fought Margarito, he put on a clinic and got homes
out of there. Pac still gets hit flush with power shots
by slow guys and Mosley is a lil faster than Margarito
and more durable than Cotto BUT Shane has bad footwork
and no defense and Pac can't be pressured leaving himself
exposed because Pac is fast. Shane would have to get
Pac to fight his fight and catch him good but I think
Pac's conditioning and stamina at this point is more
superior than Mosley's. BUT we have to look at it like
this as well. It took Manny 12 rounds of extensive
beating to almost put Margarito out. The question is,
will Shane let Manny just **** up on him? Or does
Shane still have enough power to hurt Pac? Margarito
did. All in all, would much rather see Pac get it on
with someone with good to sound technical capabilities
before I put Pac at the top of the heap because right
now, Sergio Martinez is top dog in my book at the
moment.

[LeadUppercut]

Lead I respect you alot,but tbh your bugging JMM is a great fighter..But Pac is league's ahead of JMM..Pac beat this dude one handed and now that Pac has come full circle he would destroy JMM if they fought right now..

romey, I have never stated that JMM could beat Manny now, not once.

I have stated the opposite on numerous occasions.

Marquez is getting set up with the 147 demand, and everyone knows it.

Even at 140, Marquez only has a small chance imho, as he is not effective above 135. Manny cannot compete with the skills of Marquez, so he is not content with the fight being a LW vs JWW, he wants it to be a LW vs WW, so that he can over-power JMM.

Marquez is a career-featherweight, and P4P, he beats Manny hands down. He went up 4 divisions higher than his career-best weight to fight the very best P4P fighter on the planet, and yet Manny will not even fight somebody from his own division without a catch-weight.

Come on, unless Marquez agree's to 147, Manny won't go anywhere near him.

At 126, the only division that JMM fought prime, he beats Manny 9/10. Know why? Because Marquez - like everybody else - got surprised by the speed/angle of Manny's left hand. Once he recovered after round one, it was straight to work and easy pickings.

The entire developed world saw Marquez beat Manny the second time around, just look at Manny's face before they announced the winner. He knew he lost that fight.

Even above Marquez' best weight, and past his prime, he beat Manny in the rematch, we all saw it.

Marquez would win 9/10, and the one that Manny win would be the first one. JMM makes the adjustments by instinct after that, he's seen Manny inside-out, and is a much better technical fighter.
And now, even when JMM is nearly 71 Team Pacquiao are still piss-scared of Marquez, and will not fight him unless he goes up to 147. Which is more than Manny weighed when he won his welterweight title LMFAO

Neither are ATG, but JMM is ahead of Manny because there are no question marks over his achievments.

When both of these things happen at exactly the same time, it is fkn bizarre...
1.) gain 15lbs of muscle in less than 18 months
2.) refuse OST's, and then give 6 ridiculous excuses, the best two being.....
* "I feel insulted"
* "I am too proud"

WTF is that **** all about ?

[waxfondler]

I prefer Manny to fight Mosley instead of Marquez. Because that coward Manny is too scared to fight Marquez at a fair weight, that b1tch wants to drag Marquez up two divisions, even though he can easily make 140.

" Marquez has never beat a elite fighter "

1.) Marquez beat Manny at least once, in the second fight

2.) Pacquiao "padded" Pacquiao could not even beat a 35yo, past-prime Marquez, who was fighting above his career-long best weight.

What a fkn joke that b1tch Manny is, I can see why a lot of his fan's are also whiney b1tches.

.... last time i checked, floyd was the one who fattened up jmm & "dragged him up two divisions" virtually giving jmm NO ADVANTAGE.... would you consider floyd a b1tch & a coward? too scared to fight jmm at his career-long best weight?

pac isnt even entertaining the thought of a jmm fight... if he actually did take the fight, AND dropped down to 135-140, he would be doing marquez a HUGE favor.

although jmm deserves a shot at pac... mosley/berto would be the logical choice @ 147. no other options at WW.

[cooper5]

What about Alvarez? May be considered untested but at least he is coming off a win.

[Rome-By-Ko]

That could be a possibility but Pac ain't rushing
to make the fight at 140 since if he is so much more
better and developed than Marquez. He ain't rushing
for Berto either who would mean more because of the
title he holds, being primed and having an undefeated
record. Pac and Arum prefers Mosley who got outclassed
and shut out in one fight and look horrible to a draw in
the other. If that doesn't say easy fight to me, I don't
know what is. BUT hey! Who knows, because after
Mayorga people put the nail in Shane's coffin and when
he fought Margarito, he put on a clinic and got homes
out of there. Pac still gets hit flush with power shots
by slow guys and Mosley is a lil faster than Margarito
and more durable than Cotto BUT Shane has bad footwork
and no defense and Pac can't be pressured leaving himself
exposed because Pac is fast. Shane would have to get
Pac to fight his fight and catch him good but I think
Pac's conditioning and stamina at this point is more
superior than Mosley's. BUT we have to look at it like
this as well. It took Manny 12 rounds of extensive
beating to almost put Margarito out. The question is,
will Shane let Manny just **** up on him? Or does
Shane still have enough power to hurt Pac? Margarito
did. All in all, would much rather see Pac get it on
with someone with good to sound technical capabilities
before I put Pac at the top of the heap because right
now, Sergio Martinez is top dog in my book at the
moment.

I don't want to see Pac Berto I would much rather see Pac Bradley being the fact Bradley is far more proven then Berto..Berto needs to worry about fighting a top five WW before even speaking Pac's name..

Shane is big and clinches alot and is strong inside,I believe he could still give Pac some problems but I agree Pac would most likely win this..But I would still like to see it,you can't blame Mosley for the Mora fight(you try to catch a chicken)it was'int his fault...

I can't be mad at anyone saying Martinez is their num 1..For me he is num 2 right behind Pac/May..

[LeadUppercut]

.... last time i checked, floyd was the one who fattened up jmm & "dragged him up two divisions" virtually giving jmm NO ADVANTAGE.... would you consider floyd a b1tch & a coward? too scared to fight jmm at his career-long best weight?

Yep, Mayweather was a total b1tch for sliding on the weight. But Mayweather is a WW, and should realistically not be required to fight under 147. He agreed, and he defaulted, so YEP, that was a b1tch-move.But according to BOTH Ariza and Roach, Manny is a JWW and can easily make 140. So that is a cowardly b1tch-move.

pac isnt even entertaining the thought of a jmm fight... if he actually did take the fight, AND dropped down to 135-140, he would be doing marquez a HUGE favor.

I don't get your point ?

FACT: JMM is not effective above 135
FACT: Manny can easily make 140

2 + 2 = 4..... unless you are a b1tch.

Of course he should have agreed to fight the 40yo midget at 140, what a b1tch-move that was.

although jmm deserves a shot at pac... mosley/berto would be the logical choice @ 147. no other options at WW.

Agreed.

We have already discussed every single one of those points ?