Comments Thread For: Marquez Deserves The Pacquiao Fight, Not Shane Mosley

[Rome-By-Ko]

i definitely agree regarding berto's resume. but his talents & potential is promising... he definitely DOES NOT deserve a shot at pac... but with pac's options at WW, we dont have many options. even though bradley might be more "deserving", HBO loves berto for some reason... regarding berto/shane as options... i know youre pulling for shane, but i would rather see pac unify the titles... at least its somewhat meaningful. a shane fight will only bring more criticisms for pac, but arum seems to be convinced of the potential money involved. so....

I believe Mosley would bring more Money,more casual fans know who he is..Berto is talented and that's as far as it goes..Jordan was talented but what set him apart from other NBA players was his work ethics he was always working at his skill..You can see Berto does not,Berto just needs to worry about proving he is more then just talent and the way to do that is take some tough fights and winning..Berto has Jones,Alverez,Cintron(who called him a *****)Clottey I would love to even see him fight Abregu..

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Ok talking P4P Manny has beating how many P4P fighters,you have an answer??Now how many did JMM beat??I don't believe he has ever beating a P4P fighter..

Mayweather did not go down to 140lb why should Pac??How is a ***** move??Pac has the power and should use it in this case..

I don't believe JMM is on another level then Pac sorry,Cotto was a P4P fighter when Manny fought him,so was Hatton,when ya name me three fighters that JMM has beating that was on this list I'll say they are on the same level until then Pac is a few notches above JMM...

Hold on mate.

P4P consideration has absolutely nothing to do with how many P4P fighters either guy may have fought. It has nothing to do with titles, it has nothing to do with belts, and it has absolutely nothing to do with common opponents.

P4P is based on the latin phrase " caeteris paribus " which loosely translated means..... " if all things were equal ".

The "equal" in boxing, is weight.

FACT: At 126, Marquez' ONLY prime weight, he beats Manny 9/10 at least, because of the reasons stated above.

If you intend to make a fair comparision ABOVE 126, then you must factor in Marquez' size, otherwise you are comparing apples with oranges.

e.g. IF Marquez was NATURALLY Cotto's size/weight (so, takes his speed up, and his power is increased relatively to his size) he beats him hands down.

Against Margarito, if Marquez were 5'10"-150lbs.....
then he retires that bum, be under no illusions.

The way folks talk about P4P, is simply innaccurate.

The following is far more relevant, and imo, categorically proves that Marquez is a better fighter hands down than Manny.....

1.) In the first fight, Manny got off to a great start and knocked JMM down three times in the first round and broke his nose, and yet STILL couldn't beat him. Why is that? Because Marquez is hands down the better fighter.

2.) In the second fight, when Marquez was 35yo, past-prime, and above his career-best weight, he beat Manny fair-and-square, the entire developed world saw it. You can disagree with me because of the official result and we will simply agree to disagree, but romey, watch that fight again, look at the faces of both fighters before the winner was announced. Manny knows he lost that fight, which is why he will not rematch that old age pensioner unless it is at 147.

3.) He went up 4 divisions higher than his career-best weight to fight the very best P4P fighter on the planet, and yet Manny will not even fight somebody from his own division without a catch-weight.

Sorry buddy, but it's not even really that close as far as I'm concerned.

Another thing, admittedly off-topic from the P4P issue.....

If we were to remove every controversial fight from Manny's resume', and then do the same with Marquez'..... how do you think their resume's would match-up ?

Sorry for taking so long, it's 11.56am here, I'm at work I'll write when I can.

[brooklyngod]

i say regardless if shane fights manny first then let it be but i just want to see juan get a third fight with pac. if pac whoops on that ass then marquez wont cry about it and if juan beats pac then that would be awesome. just let them both(shane,juan) fight manny and see what comes from it.

[Mayas]

Arum doesn’t seem to care about Soto's career, cause Arum is acting like Oscar’s “puppet”.
Arum has been stalling Soto's career the last 4 years by having fight in obsucurity and on PPV undercards, where only real boxing fans know who he is.
Oscar DelaHoya is part of the problem, cause Oscar has had HBO deny Soto opportunities to be on their network, so that Soto doesn’t get much exposure.
It was Oscar that denied Soto the chance to fight Pacman in 2008.

Oscar, through Arum have been stalling Soto's career, just like they stalled Antonio Margarito's career, and had scapegoated Margarito with the handwrapp issue, cause Oscar and Arum helped Shane Mosley get away with cheating by helping Mosley avoid detection of the illegal banned stamina booster- EPO Steroids/Hormones before he fought Margarito in L.A.

Oscar and Arum are stalling Mexican boxing, to help blacks like Mosley and pinoys like Pacman achieve success through Affirmitive Action, because Mexicans always dominate in boxing, and Oscar and Arum want to globalize boxing and make foreign and black fans’ money.

[Mayas]

Humberto Soto is the one that should fight Pacman, cause Soto has been chasing Pac for more than 3 years. But Pac is too SCARED to fight Soto, cause he knows Soto would detroy him.,,,JMM is also scared to fight Soto, which is why JMM has avoided Soto for more than 2 years, and Oscar is helping him avoid Soto.

[Mayas]

Humberto Soto would KO/DESTROY Manny Pacquiao, Marquez, EM, all in the same year, which is why they all duck Soto, cause they're scared of Soto's power.

[ShoguNinja]

If Marquez really believe that he beat Manny twice and why the heck he keep chasing Manny around like a ****-****** fool?! The reality is that a still-developing Manny then knock him in his @ss 4x and beat him. The Manny Pacquiao now will f@ck him up so Bad and KTFO him... but the thing is Team Pacquiao believes that the paying public will not watch a "Public Carnage."

[medi8r]

Hold on mate.

P4P consideration has absolutely nothing to do with how many P4P fighters either guy may have fought. It has nothing to do with titles, it has nothing to do with belts, and it has absolutely nothing to do with common opponents.

P4P is based on the latin phrase " caeteris paribus " which loosely translated means..... " if all things were equal ".

The "equal" in boxing, is weight.

FACT: At 126, Marquez' ONLY prime weight, he beats Manny 9/10 at least, because of the reasons stated above.

If you intend to make a fair comparision ABOVE 126, then you must factor in Marquez' size, otherwise you are comparing apples with oranges.

e.g. IF Marquez was NATURALLY Cotto's size/weight (so, takes his speed up, and his power is increased relatively to his size) he beats him hands down.

Against Margarito, if Marquez were 5'10"-150lbs.....
then he retires that bum, be under no illusions.

The way folks talk about P4P, is simply innaccurate.

The following is far more relevant, and imo, categorically proves that Marquez is a better fighter hands down than Manny.....

1.) In the first fight, Manny got off to a great start and knocked JMM down three times in the first round and broke his nose, and yet STILL couldn't beat him. Why is that? Because Marquez is hands down the better fighter.

2.) In the second fight, when Marquez was 35yo, past-prime, and above his career-best weight, he beat Manny fair-and-square, the entire developed world saw it. You can disagree with me because of the official result and we will simply agree to disagree, but romey, watch that fight again, look at the faces of both fighters before the winner was announced. Manny knows he lost that fight, which is why he will not rematch that old age pensioner unless it is at 147.

3.) He went up 4 divisions higher than his career-best weight to fight the very best P4P fighter on the planet, and yet Manny will not even fight somebody from his own division without a catch-weight.

Sorry buddy, but it's not even really that close as far as I'm concerned.

Another thing, admittedly off-topic from the P4P issue.....

If we were to remove every controversial fight from Manny's resume', and then do the same with Marquez'..... how do you think their resume's would match-up ?

Sorry for taking so long, it's 11.56am here, I'm at work I'll write when I can.

Good post. Way to articulate what is lost nowadays in the sport. It's hard to explain to people that P4P is a mythical standing. I don't care about P4P list because most people misinterpret what they mean and why they exist. But if I had to make one by standard P4P criteria, Martinez would be #1 and Marquez would be #2.

[sNiTcH]

Hold on mate.

P4P consideration has absolutely nothing to do with how many P4P fighters either guy may have fought. It has nothing to do with titles, it has nothing to do with belts, and it has absolutely nothing to do with common opponents.

P4P is based on the latin phrase " caeteris paribus " which loosely translated means..... " if all things were equal ".

The "equal" in boxing, is weight.

FACT: At 126, Marquez' ONLY prime weight, he beats Manny 9/10 at least, because of the reasons stated above.

If you intend to make a fair comparision ABOVE 126, then you must factor in Marquez' size, otherwise you are comparing apples with oranges.

e.g. IF Marquez was NATURALLY Cotto's size/weight (so, takes his speed up, and his power is increased relatively to his size) he beats him hands down.

Against Margarito, if Marquez were 5'10"-150lbs.....
then he retires that bum, be under no illusions.

The way folks talk about P4P, is simply innaccurate.

The following is far more relevant, and imo, categorically proves that Marquez is a better fighter hands down than Manny.....

1.) In the first fight, Manny got off to a great start and knocked JMM down three times in the first round and broke his nose, and yet STILL couldn't beat him. Why is that? Because Marquez is hands down the better fighter.

2.) In the second fight, when Marquez was 35yo, past-prime, and above his career-best weight, he beat Manny fair-and-square, the entire developed world saw it. You can disagree with me because of the official result and we will simply agree to disagree, but romey, watch that fight again, look at the faces of both fighters before the winner was announced. Manny knows he lost that fight, which is why he will not rematch that old age pensioner unless it is at 147.

3.) He went up 4 divisions higher than his career-best weight to fight the very best P4P fighter on the planet, and yet Manny will not even fight somebody from his own division without a catch-weight.

Sorry buddy, but it's not even really that close as far as I'm concerned.

Another thing, admittedly off-topic from the P4P issue.....

If we were to remove every controversial fight from Manny's resume', and then do the same with Marquez'..... how do you think their resume's would match-up ?

Sorry for taking so long, it's 11.56am here, I'm at work I'll write when I can.

JMM should fight soto

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JMM should fight soto

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