Comments Thread For: Marquez Deserves The Pacquiao Fight, Not Shane Mosley

[Rome-By-Ko]

romey, I have never stated that JMM could beat Manny now, not once.

I have stated the opposite on numerous occasions.

Marquez is getting set up with the 147 demand, and everyone knows it.

Even at 140, Marquez only has a small chance imho, as he is not effective above 135. Manny cannot compete with the skills of Marquez, so he is not content with the fight being a LW vs JWW, he wants it to be a LW vs WW, so that he can over-power JMM.

Marquez is a career-featherweight, and P4P, he beats Manny hands down. He went up 4 divisions higher than his career-best weight to fight the very best P4P fighter on the planet, and yet Manny will not even fight somebody from his own division without a catch-weight.

Come on, unless Marquez agree's to 147, Manny won't go anywhere near him.

At 126, the only division that JMM fought prime, he beats Manny 9/10. Know why? Because Marquez - like everybody else - got surprised by the speed/angle of Manny's left hand. Once he recovered after round one, it was straight to work and easy pickings.

The entire developed world saw Marquez beat Manny the second time around, just look at Manny's face before they announced the winner. He knew he lost that fight.

Even above Marquez' best weight, and past his prime, he beat Manny in the rematch, we all saw it.

Marquez would win 9/10, and the one that Manny win would be the first one. JMM makes the adjustments by instinct after that, he's seen Manny inside-out, and is a much better technical fighter.
And now, even when JMM is nearly 71 Team Pacquiao are still piss-scared of Marquez, and will not fight him unless he goes up to 147. Which is more than Manny weighed when he won his welterweight title LMFAO

Neither are ATG, but JMM is ahead of Manny because there are no question marks over his achievments.

When both of these things happen at exactly the same time, it is fkn bizarre...
1.) gain 15lbs of muscle in less than 18 months
2.) refuse OST's, and then give 6 ridiculous excuses, the best two being.....
* "I feel insulted"
* "I am too proud"

WTF is that **** all about ?

Once again I respect ya lead and always read ya post and that won't change but bottom line I totally dis agree with ya on this subject...

Pac cleaned JMM clock in both fights,JMM is a great fighter and really technical..But Pac is just as good and hits far harder and has beating bigger fighters..JMM would not beat Cotto imo he would not beat Marga's either..

You saying that Pac is on something with no proof is just sad,nobody had these thoughts before May SR said something and then here we go...W/E I'm not buying what they selling,show me proof Pac is on something then I'll believe it..

JMM loses to Mosley,Cotto,Maybe even Clottey..JMM is a great fighter but he is ineffective above 135lb..Let him move up and fight some 140lbs then will talk until then Pac's career hands down is far better..

[waxfondler]

That could be a possibility but Pac ain't rushing
to make the fight at 140 since if he is so much more
better and developed than Marquez. He ain't rushing
for Berto either who would mean more because of the
title he holds, being primed and having an undefeated
record. Pac and Arum prefers Mosley who got outclassed
and shut out in one fight and look horrible to a draw in
the other. If that doesn't say easy fight to me, I don't
know what is. BUT hey! Who knows, because after
Mayorga people put the nail in Shane's coffin and when
he fought Margarito, he put on a clinic and got homes
out of there. Pac still gets hit flush with power shots
by slow guys and Mosley is a lil faster than Margarito
and more durable than Cotto BUT Shane has bad footwork
and no defense and Pac can't be pressured leaving himself
exposed because Pac is fast. Shane would have to get
Pac to fight his fight and catch him good but I think
Pac's conditioning and stamina at this point is more
superior than Mosley's. BUT we have to look at it like
this as well. It took Manny 12 rounds of extensive
beating to almost put Margarito out. The question is,
will Shane let Manny just **** up on him? Or does
Shane still have enough power to hurt Pac? Margarito
did. All in all, would much rather see Pac get it on
with someone with good to sound technical capabilities
before I put Pac at the top of the heap because right
now, Sergio Martinez is top dog in my book at the
moment.

although berto is unbeaten and has some belts, it doesnt translate to money... but if bob made clottey happen, why cant he make a unification bout with berto?? im not ****ing the drums for a mosley fight, but stylistically speaking, i think it can be interesting. its kind of a lose/lose situation for pac... floyd already beat shane, dominantly... so theres no real accomplishment for beating shane... and if pac doesnt look spectacular against shane, then people will automatically exclaim how superior floyd is...
its actually pretty funny:
shane: african american boxer... but FAR from slick.
berto: haitian... and not really slick.

the ONLY fighter that fits the "slick/african american boxer" criteria is zab judah. HAHAHA

pac/judah 2011. LOL.

[waxfondler]

What about Alvarez? May be considered untested but at least he is coming off a win.

i actually want to see berto/canelo

[LeadUppercut]

Once again I respect ya lead and always read ya post and that won't change but bottom line I totally dis agree with ya on this subject...

Pac cleaned JMM clock in both fights,JMM is a great fighter and really technical..But Pac is just as good and hits far harder and has beating bigger fighters..JMM would not beat Cotto imo he would not beat Marga's either..

You saying that Pac is on something with no proof is just sad,nobody had these thoughts before May SR said something and then here we go...W/E I'm not buying what they selling,show me proof Pac is on something then I'll believe it..

JMM loses to Mosley,Cotto,Maybe even Clottey..JMM is a great fighter but he is ineffective above 135lb..Let him move up and fight some 140lbs then will talk until then Pac's career hands down is far better..

Romey, we will have to agree to disagree, which is fine..... but let's call the subject closed.

Quite simply.....
" Pac cleaned JMM clock in both fights " - RUBBISH !!

" But Pac is just as good " - You are completely losing it buddy. Manny is not on Marquez' level. He knocked JMM down three times in the first round and broke his nose, and STILL couldn't beat him.

" and hits far harder and has beating bigger fighters..JMM would not beat Cotto imo he would not beat Marga's either "

You missed the point TWICE !!
1.) we are talking P4P, as-is the only possible way to make such a comparision.
2.) if what you just said is true, then why did Manny insist that Marquez go up to 147, when he could easily make 140
See what I mean? Think about it. Kinda puts that b1tch move in context doesn't it.

The rest of your post made direct comparisions to other fighters, but we are talking P4P.

Technically, Manny is simply not on Marquez's level. He is just bigger/faster.

OST issues clouding Manny's legacy?

Hard luck for Manny, he should have taken the tests, what did he expect?

[Clyde Barrow]

I don't think Pac owes JMM anything. But this fight, should it happen at 140, is a much better choice than Mosley.

[Rome-By-Ko]

although berto is unbeaten and has some belts, it doesnt translate to money... but if bob made clottey happen, why cant he make a unification bout with berto?? im not ****ing the drums for a mosley fight, but stylistically speaking, i think it can be interesting. its kind of a lose/lose situation for pac... floyd already beat shane, dominantly... so theres no real accomplishment for beating shane... and if pac doesnt look spectacular against shane, then people will automatically exclaim how superior floyd is...
its actually pretty funny:
shane: african american boxer... but FAR from slick.
berto: haitian... and not really slick.

the ONLY fighter that fits the "slick/african american boxer" criteria is zab judah. HAHAHA

pac/judah 2011. LOL.

Bradley has proven to be slick and makes great adjustments threw a fight..

[Rome-By-Ko]

i actually want to see berto/canelo

Berto just needs to fight a top five fighter any top five fighter please jeez I can't stand this guy..He won his belt from Ricky Martin and lost to Collazo,and has not fought a top five WW in his career the nerve of this guy to even speak Pac's name..

[Rome-By-Ko]

Romey, we will have to agree to disagree, which is fine..... but let's call the subject closed.

Quite simply.....
" Pac cleaned JMM clock in both fights " - RUBBISH !!

" But Pac is just as good " - You are completely losing it buddy. Manny is not on Marquez' level. He knocked JMM down three times in the first round and broke his nose, and STILL couldn't beat him.

" and hits far harder and has beating bigger fighters..JMM would not beat Cotto imo he would not beat Marga's either "

You missed the point TWICE !!
1.) we are talking P4P, as-is the only possible way to make such a comparision.
2.) if what you just said is true, then why did Manny insist that Marquez go up to 147, when he could easily make 140
See what I mean? Think about it. Kinda puts that b1tch move in context doesn't it.

The rest of your post made direct comparisions to other fighters, but we are talking P4P.

Technically, Manny is simply not on Marquez's level. He is just bigger/faster.

OST issues clouding Manny's legacy?

Hard luck for Manny, he should have taken the tests, what did he expect?

Ok talking P4P Manny has beating how many P4P fighters,you have an answer??Now how many did JMM beat??I don't believe he has ever beating a P4P fighter..

Mayweather did not go down to 140lb why should Pac??How is a ***** move??Pac has the power and should use it in this case..

I don't believe JMM is on another level then Pac sorry,Cotto was a P4P fighter when Manny fought him,so was Hatton,when ya name me three fighters that JMM has beating that was on this list I'll say they are on the same level until then Pac is a few notches above JMM...

[waxfondler]

Berto just needs to fight a top five fighter any top five fighter please jeez I can't stand this guy..He won his belt from Ricky Martin and lost to Collazo,and has not fought a top five WW in his career the nerve of this guy to even speak Pac's name..

i definitely agree regarding berto's resume. but his talents & potential is promising... he definitely DOES NOT deserve a shot at pac... but with pac's options at WW, we dont have many options. even though bradley might be more "deserving", HBO loves berto for some reason... regarding berto/shane as options... i know youre pulling for shane, but i would rather see pac unify the titles... at least its somewhat meaningful. a shane fight will only bring more criticisms for pac, but arum seems to be convinced of the potential money involved. so....

[komandante]

Do you think Marquez can handle either Mosley or Berto. JMM is a soft touch for Pac, no 3rd fight let him wear his tshirt.