Comments Thread For: De La Hoya: Pacquiao Forces Boxers To Lose on The Scale

[Apple Mac]

If you cant compete at 154, don't fight there.

Manny Pacquiao is a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154.

Team Pacquiao.....
Still piss-scared of Marquez, since 2004

Huh? Where's the sense in this? Im just silently reading all the comments here and i noticed most of your twisted ideology. Bending all the facts to boost your confidence.

[kadyo's]

The thing that kills me is all these guys are calling out Pac, but yet they want to do it on THEIR terms.
"I want to fight Pac, but at what's comfortable to me!"

Why didn't JMM complain and try to force FMJ to fight at 140? He didn't even complain about having to come up that high in weight, he was just happy to be sharing the same ring with Floyd and making the big bucks. But, when it comes to Manny everything should be "fair"? And, could you imagine JMM telling FMJ "Fight me at 135-140 where I'm comfortable. (or no fight)" Or, JMM insisting on a 50-50 pay split with Mayweather (or no fight)? Floyd would've just said "O.K., buh-bye." So why should it be so different against Pac?

If you want to fight the top dog to make the big bucks then you should be the one having to make consessions - not the other way around. To me, it's a little like the smallest guy on the block calling out the neighborhood giant for a game of one on one - and then telling him that he has to play in his backyard with both hands tied behind his back... AND lose 20lbs. to make it "fair". YOU called HIM out, if you want it that bad you need to do what it takes to get him to face off with you.

Personally, I want to see a third fight between these guys. I don't know why JMM should be all that concerned about weight, no one is forcing him to weigh in at the full limit. And he already knows that Pac is not going to weigh more then 147-148 on fight night (in fact since JMM isn't bigger like Pacs last few opponents, he will probably weigh even less then that to increase his speed). JMM weighs close to that on fight night as well. Pac just faced a guy weighing 17lbs. more than him on fight night and people are still complaining about a 150lb. weigh in limit (supposively draining Marg), but yet they're worried about a 2 or 3lbs. weight difference for Pac on fight night? (JMM came in at 145 against Kats, Pac came in at 147 against Margarito - on fight night) I'm sure many of JMM previous opponents weighed a lot more than 2 or 3lbs. more than him on fight night. AGAIN... no one is forcing JMM to put every single pound on! But, even putting that aside, JMM wants to move up in weight ANYWAY! Let's see JMM get his own strength and conditioning coach and move up in weight, putting on muscle instead of fat - like Pac did. Now is the time to do it rather then complaining how you want a fight so badly, but are unwilling to make any conssessions to prove your own greatness.

JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR.... I AM NEITHER A JMM HATER OR A "*******". I have great respect for JMM, which is why I want to see Pac face him rather than Mosely. Just do what ya gotta do to get this fight Juan, and let's get it on...

BTW - Don't worry about Oscar... by next week he will simply say he was "Misquoted" or that someone had a gun to his head, forcing him to constantly say outlandishly ****** ****.

Great post as usual, Miss Lorily.

[LeadUppercut]

Huh? Where's the sense in this? Im just silently reading all the comments here and i noticed most of your twisted ideology. Bending all the facts to boost your confidence.

" Bending the facts " ***tard ?

Explain how. Give me one example of a "bent" fact.....

1.) Manny Pacquiao is a coward for claiming to be an 8-division champion, and yet being too scared to EVER fight an actual JMW oppenent.

2.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Mayweather back in December, either that or he is a steroid cheat. He didn't want none of Mayweather or the tests, thats for sure.

3.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154. What a b1tch Manny.

4.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for demanding a catch-weight for Cotto. There are two reasons to demand a catch-weight, either you are not good enough to compete with that fighter at his natural weight, which is fine..... or you are attempting to drain him to gain an unfair advantage, which is cowardly. Team Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

5.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Shane Mosley - TWICE !!

6.) And Manny "padded" Pacquiao is also a dirty coward for refusing to fight Marquez unless the fight is held at 147.

Manny "padded" Pacquiao is a joke. Top Rank smoke and mirrors.

Team Pacquiao.....
Still piss-scared of Marquez, since 2004

[Kobayashi]

De La Puta, Pac didn`t force you. At that time, you had a bigger name that him. You forced him to come at 147 when he was fighting at 135.

Pacquaio already beat the piss drinker twice.

[LeadUppercut]

The thing that kills me is all these guys are calling out Pac, but yet they want to do it on THEIR terms.
"I want to fight Pac, but at what's comfortable to me!"

Why didn't JMM complain and try to force FMJ to fight at 140? He didn't even complain about having to come up that high in weight, he was just happy to be sharing the same ring with Floyd and making the big bucks. But, when it comes to Manny everything should be "fair"? And, could you imagine JMM telling FMJ "Fight me at 135-140 where I'm comfortable. (or no fight)" Or, JMM insisting on a 50-50 pay split with Mayweather (or no fight)? Floyd would've just said "O.K., buh-bye." So why should it be so different against Pac?

If you want to fight the top dog to make the big bucks then you should be the one having to make consessions - not the other way around. To me, it's a little like the smallest guy on the block calling out the neighborhood giant for a game of one on one - and then telling him that he has to play in his backyard with both hands tied behind his back... AND lose 20lbs. to make it "fair". YOU called HIM out, if you want it that bad you need to do what it takes to get him to face off with you.

Personally, I want to see a third fight between these guys. I don't know why JMM should be all that concerned about weight, no one is forcing him to weigh in at the full limit. And he already knows that Pac is not going to weigh more then 147-148 on fight night (in fact since JMM isn't bigger like Pacs last few opponents, he will probably weigh even less then that to increase his speed). JMM weighs close to that on fight night as well. Pac just faced a guy weighing 17lbs. more than him on fight night and people are still complaining about a 150lb. weigh in limit (supposively draining Marg), but yet they're worried about a 2 or 3lbs. weight difference for Pac on fight night? (JMM came in at 145 against Kats, Pac came in at 147 against Margarito - on fight night) I'm sure many of JMM previous opponents weighed a lot more than 2 or 3lbs. more than him on fight night. AGAIN... no one is forcing JMM to put every single pound on! But, even putting that aside, JMM wants to move up in weight ANYWAY! Let's see JMM get his own strength and conditioning coach and move up in weight, putting on muscle instead of fat - like Pac did. Now is the time to do it rather then complaining how you want a fight so badly, but are unwilling to make any conssessions to prove your own greatness.

JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR.... I AM NEITHER A JMM HATER OR A "*******". I have great respect for JMM, which is why I want to see Pac face him rather than Mosely. Just do what ya gotta do to get this fight Juan, and let's get it on...

BTW - Don't worry about Oscar... by next week he will simply say he was "Misquoted" or that someone had a gun to his head, forcing him to constantly say outlandishly ****** ****.

Oh come on Lorily......

1.) JMM is not effective over 135

2.) Manny is obviously a JWW, and can easily make 140

END OF STORY !!

Those two facts alone, make the 147 demand a b1tch-move.

For you to tell me that Manny should be able to unfairly disadvantage Marquez for this reason..... "because he can"..... is why standards are held so low for Pacquiao.

That b1tch move, just gets added to the list below.....

1.) Claiming to be an 8-division champion, and yet never fighting an actual JMW oppenent.

2.) Ducking Mayweather back in December, either that or he is a steroid cheat. He didn't want none of Mayweather or the tests, thats for sure.

3.) Ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154. What a b1tch Manny.

4.) Demanding a catch-weight for Cotto. There are two reasons to demand a catch-weight, either you are not good enough to compete with that fighter at his natural weight, which is fine..... or you are attempting to drain him to gain an unfair advantage, which is cowardly. Team Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

5.) Ducking Shane Mosley - TWICE !!

6.) Refusing to fight Marquez unless the bout is held at 147.

Manny "padded" Pacquiao is a joke. Top Rank smoke and mirrors.

Team Pacquiao.....
Still piss-scared of Marquez, since 2004

[ShoguNinja]

im no ******* but to say he forces them to lose on the scales is just ******.

the boxer that agrees to the weight is the ****** one if he thinks he has no chance. if he thinks he has no chance at the weight then he shouldnt have signed the contract.

no one puts a gun to your head to sign a contract. you see the terms, you are given a pen, you decide if you want to sign after negotiating terms. if you dont like the terms dont use the pen, just walk away and the contract is over.

DLH is just pissed that Arum doesnt want anything to do with him or his company and that they wont be making any coin out of the JMM or Mosley fight as Arum thinks they are bigger cowboys then he is and has managed to wiggle some of the big names slightly out of their hand.....

Agree! Oscar is the Douche bag who offered Manny to come up at 147. But for the Record, Manny has only 2 Catch-weight fight againts Cotto and Margarito rightly so because he is the one climbing up in weight and he is the established star than the two that is why he can imply what best for him?! That's what star-power does, Right?!

[ShoguNinja]

Oh come on Lorily......

1.) JMM is not effective over 135

2.) Manny is obviously a JWW, and can easily make 140

END OF STORY !!

Those two facts alone, make the 147 demand a b1tch-move.

For you to tell me that Manny should be able to unfairly disadvantage Marquez for this reason..... "because he can"..... is why standards are held so low for Pacquiao.

That b1tch move, just gets added to the list below.....

1.) Claiming to be an 8-division champion, and yet never fighting an actual JMW oppenent.

2.) Ducking Mayweather back in December, either that or he is a steroid cheat. He didn't want none of Mayweather or the tests, thats for sure.

3.) Ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154. What a b1tch Manny.

4.) Demanding a catch-weight for Cotto. There are two reasons to demand a catch-weight, either you are not good enough to compete with that fighter at his natural weight, which is fine..... or you are attempting to drain him to gain an unfair advantage, which is cowardly. Team Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

5.) Ducking Shane Mosley - TWICE !!

6.) Refusing to fight Marquez unless the bout is held at 147.

Manny "padded" Pacquiao is a joke. Top Rank smoke and mirrors.

Team Pacquiao.....
Still piss-scared of Marquez, since 2004

Another Pac-Hater that can't live to the fact that PACQUIAO is the "More Accomplished and Best-Selling Boxer of his generation". Die with ENVY kids!!!

[LeadUppercut]

Another Pac-Hater that can't live to the fact that PACQUIAO is the "More Accomplished and Best-Selling Boxer of his generation". Die with ENVY kids!!!

Here is why you are a silly little ****.....

You bothered replying, but did not even attempt to refute one single point in that post. If my post was just "hate", then surely you could easily discredit it?

It appears to me that you are just a whiney b1tch?

If not, then prove me wrong.

Stop your whining, and point out the error of my ways.....

1.) Manny Pacquiao is a coward for claiming to be an 8-division champion, and yet being too scared to EVER fight an actual JMW oppenent.

2.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Mayweather back in December, either that or he is a steroid cheat. He didn't want none of Mayweather or the tests, thats for sure.

3.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154. What a b1tch Manny.

4.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for demanding a catch-weight for Cotto. There are two reasons to demand a catch-weight, either you are not good enough to compete with that fighter at his natural weight, which is fine..... or you are attempting to drain him to gain an unfair advantage, which is cowardly. Team Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

5.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Shane Mosley - TWICE !!

6.) And Manny "padded" Pacquiao is also a dirty coward for refusing to fight Marquez unless the fight is held at 147.

Manny "padded" Pacquiao is a joke. Top Rank smoke and mirrors.

Team Pacquiao.....
Still piss-scared of Marquez, since 2004

[brently1979]

Oscar was the one that wanted to fight PAC. Who at the time came up 2 divisions to fight Oscar.

Oscar is just jealous because he lost all of his biggest fights.

[jacool]

by Scott Christ

"I must be remembering some other Oscar de la Hoya who fought Manny Pacquiao in 2008 after clearly stating it was his own intention to return to 147 pounds after not fighting there in seven years. Maybe I also don't recall that before going down to 147, Oscar took a tune-up fight against Steve Forbes on HBO at a 150-pound catchweight to see how his body would react. Or maybe I don't remember Manny Pacquiao having never fought over 135 pounds, which he had done once against David Diaz, before facing Oscar. And maybe, just maybe, Oscar wasn't a heavy favorite entirely because Pacquiao wasn't supposed to be able to handle the size and power differences.

But that can't be it. It must be Oscar de la Hoya, friend of the fight fan, telling the truth and speaking his mind about the problems plaguing this grand sport. That dastardly Pacquiao making Oscar lose all that weight. What a sneakthief. Thanks for that Mosley-Mora pay-per-view, chief! It's not like Oscar de la Hoya ever "forced" a catchweight before, after all."