Marquez will NOT beat the Pac-Man of today...

[Left Hook Tua]

It could be me but I think Roach is the one whos more afraid of Manny losing then anyone. He's ALWAYS calling out for weight catches and we all know that Marquez can barely get over 143 just make an fair even fight and prove that Manny doesn't need these pointless advantages

pacquiao don't give a ****.

it's damn roach.


pacquiao took ledwaba on with what 2 weeks notice? the number 1 or 2 fighter at 122 and a champion on 2 weeks notice.

pacquiao took on barrera IN TEXAS , with texas judges , in front of an arena filled with nothing but mexican fans AND it was his first time at 126 since he had to move up.

you think pac is scared?


roach's ****** demands cost pac a little.

would it have mattered if cotto-pac was at 147 instead of 145? would it have mattered if pac-marg was at 154? nope.

but it matters in that it cost pac more criticism and took some luster from those wins a little.

[burlyman]

It could be me but I think Roach is the one whos more afraid of Manny losing then anyone. He's ALWAYS calling out for weight catches and we all know that Marquez can barely get over 143 just make an fair even fight and prove that Manny doesn't need these pointless advantages

Roach is not looking for a fair fight. It's his job to secure as many advantages as he can for his fighter, just like any other trainer would in the same situation.

[Left Hook Tua]

Roach is not looking for a fair fight. It's his job to secure as many advantages as he can for his fighter, just like any other trainer would in the same situation.

that's fine but he's giving people reasons to discredit pac.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

seasoned - pac had 50 fights under his belt at the time of the rematch

confident - pac has been confident since forever. you don't take on marco antonio barrera in texas or take a championship fight on 2 weeks notice against ledwaba without confidence.

much better right hand - they started working on the right hand since 4 years earlier after the 1st fight. he showcased it against velazquez and marquez 3 years earlier.

you do know what the meaning of more is right?

Pac 1# p4p confidence> Pac that faced ledwaba MAB confidence

Pac right hand now> Pac right hand showcased vs velasquez

Pac 57 fight seasoning > Pac 50 fight seasoing

Pac now > Pac marquez faced.

Anybody with a modicum of perception can see that.

[Left Hook Tua]

you do know what the meaning of more is right?

Pac 1# p4p confidence> Pac that faced ledwaba MAB confidence

Pac right hand now> Pac right hand showcased vs velasquez

Pac 57 fight seasoning > Pac 50 fight seasoing

Pac now > Pac marquez faced.

Anybody with a modicum of perception can see that.

maybe.

we'll see.

i think the pac fans like to have excuses when it comes to the marquez fights.

they try to find every little bit to excuse it.

marquez just gives him a bad matchup.


if pac blows out jmm in a rubber match , it'll be more because jmm is past it , got worse and/or the weight division than it is because pac improved so much.

[burlyman]

that's fine but he's giving people reasons to discredit pac.

I don't think that's a priority for Roach.

At the same time, haters will always be haters, if its not choice of opponent, its catchweights, if not catchweights, its OST; the list goes on and on. If Pac faces Berto or Mosley, a lot of posters will be disappointed, and if Pac faces Marquez a lot of posters will be outraged. Can't please everyone.

[Left Hook Tua]

I don't think that's a priority for Roach.

At the same time, haters will always be haters, if its not choice of opponent, its catchweights, if not catchweights, its OST; the list goes on and on. If Pac faces Berto or Mosley, a lot of posters will be disappointed, and if Pac faces Marquez a lot of posters will be outraged. Can't please everyone.

it should be his ****ing priority.

pac's fighting for legacy now not money.


pac's legacy should be roach's priority more than trying to make himself look smart/good.

[venom715]

i didn't say he has to.

that's what i want.


no interest in a 135 lineal/ring title huh?

what diamond belt or vacant belt should he go for next then?

Pac is nearing the end of his boxing career so I don't think he is interested in any more titles other than securing an ATG status and that is the only reason Floyd gets mentioned every time. The two best fighters of this era. If Pac and Floyd fight gets made, that would be Manny's last fight as he has accomplished every thing else and more. But Floyd is on vacation indefinitely so we get to entertain other options.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

maybe.

we'll see.

i think the pac fans like to have excuses when it comes to the marquez fights.

they try to find every little bit to excuse it.

marquez just gives him a bad matchup.


if pac blows out jmm in a rubber match , it'll be more because jmm is past it , got worse and/or the weight division than it is because pac improved so much.

its not a maybe & i dont really want to see it. its played out not to mention the fact that marquez is 38 & not a african american.

If a floyd fight cant be made,

the best fights to silence the critics are

1. berto

2. winner of bradley alexander

3. sergio martinez.

no mosley or marquez fight. *****s will never STFU.

[Left Hook Tua]

its not a maybe & i dont really want to see it. its played out not to mention the fact that marquez is 38 & not a african american.

If a floyd fight cant be made,

the best fights to silence the critics are

1. berto

2. winner of bradley alexander

3. sergio martinez.

no mosley or marquez fight. *****s will never STFU.

it's not played out.

people wanted to see it a 3rd time.

pac didn't want it. arum didn't want it. roach didn't want it.

everyone else did though.