why does Roy Jones get a pass for ducking all the fighters that he did?

[Kid McCoy]

except ur comparing green johnson vs prime johnson, completely different styles

Was Dariusz prime when he lost to Gonzalez at age 35? The theory A beat B and B beat C therefore A would beat C doesn't often work in boxing. It's more to do with styles, strengths and weaknesses, circumstances, luck etc. In any event, it's no justification for a fight not happening.

[IMDAZED]

Was Dariusz prime when he lost to Gonzalez at age 35? The theory A beat B and B beat C therefore A would beat C doesn't often work in boxing. It's more to do with styles, strengths and weaknesses, circumstances, luck etc. In any event, it's no justification for a fight not happening.

Agreed. But it didn't and Dariusz has to live with his decisions; so does Roy.

[sigrab jr]

The class of fighters Jones did not fight at 168 >>>>>> those he fought.

Why? because the fighter were European?

Did you see where those fighters fought most of their careers?


Let's take D.M. for example[who lost to one of Prime Jones' victims]. He never left Germany. He left it twice actually and it was within Europe anyways. So he never left Europe for any of his 50 pro fights.

Prime Jones never left the U.S. So how can you blame only Jones for no fighting these guys that didn't want to come fight him when he was the number 1 at every weight class? Just because they were paper champs, he had to go to their backyard and fight them? He was number P4P, FOTD, he's been #1 at 160, #1 at 168, #1 at 175, and ranked in the top 10 at Heavyweight after beating Ruiz.

[sigrab jr]

DM's career was all but over there. Look it's highly probable that Jones would have won against DM, but all we are left with is what-ifs since the fight didnt happen.

Well something that did happen was Dariusz lost to Julio Cesar Gonzalez and prime undefeated Roy beat a prime undefeated Gonzalez. If D.M. was really that good, he should have beaten Gonzalez.

A weight drained, just finished dropping 25lbs, past prime, 34 year old RJ, beat Antonio Tarver in what was his last decent performance against a top fighter. That's how good he was in a his prime.

[Albo Dakkid]

Kinda strange how none of those fighters at 168 stepped in the ring against Toney, the most feared man in boxing at the time. Guess it was a "duck."

James Toney insulted both Nigel Benn and Eubank on a live TV interview and even cursed their mother out calling them out to fight him.

I'm surprised no1 ever mentions that one.

[Kid McCoy]

Well something that did happen was Dariusz lost to Julio Cesar Gonzalez and prime undefeated Roy beat a prime undefeated Gonzalez. If D.M. was really that good, he should have beaten Gonzalez.

A weight drained, just finished dropping 25lbs, past prime, 34 year old RJ, beat Antonio Tarver in what was his last decent performance against a top fighter. That's how good he was in a his prime.

Strange you give Roy a pass at age 34 yet Dariusz is cut no slack for losing a split decision at age 35.

It's also debatable whether Jones was #1 at light-heavy. Dariusz got to Hill the lineal/unified champ before Jones did. Those WBA and IBF belts that Jones held had been stripped from Dariusz. He didn't lose them in the ring. Jones' WBC belt was also illegally taken from Rocchigiani, who Dariusz beat. The way the Ring handed their belt to Jones even though Dariusz was the champ by their own rules was ridiculous. You can say Jones was #1 and would have whooped Dariusz, but he was the paper champion in the division.

[IMDAZED]

Strange you give Roy a pass at age 34 yet Dariusz is cut no slack for losing a split decision at age 35.

It's also debatable whether Jones was #1 at light-heavy. Dariusz got to Hill the lineal/unified champ before Jones did. Those WBA and IBF belts that Jones held had been stripped from Dariusz. He didn't lose them in the ring. Jones' WBC belt was also illegally taken from Rocchigiani, who Dariusz beat. The way the Ring handed their belt to Jones even though Dariusz was the champ by their own rules was ridiculous. You can say Jones was #1 and would have whooped Dariusz, but he was the paper champion in the division.

Hill was about as lineal as I am. And Dariusz chose to keep the WBO belt for obvious reasons.

[jrosales13]

People criticize mayweather but there really isnt much of a difference between the way he works and the way jones did,except that roy was alot more active and didnt take vacations.All the boxing media criticized Jones for taking easy fights and hiding behind hbo.

Roy Jones resume and greatness>Floyd Mayweather resume and greatness.

Roy did duck Jirov though, foughts Woods(I think) for less money if I am not mistaken. I think that was a duck since I thought Jirov was a good fighter and a legit thread.

Also the whole getting the WBC when Rocchigiani got stripped for no good reason was bogus as hell.

But, all in all Roy>Floyd

[BattlingNelson]

Why? because the fighter were European?

Did you see where those fighters fought most of their careers?


Let's take D.M. for example[who lost to one of Prime Jones' victims]. He never left Germany. He left it twice actually and it was within Europe anyways. So he never left Europe for any of his 50 pro fights.

Prime Jones never left the U.S. So how can you blame only Jones for no fighting these guys that didn't want to come fight him when he was the number 1 at every weight class? Just because they were paper champs, he had to go to their backyard and fight them? He was number P4P, FOTD, he's been #1 at 160, #1 at 168, #1 at 175, and ranked in the top 10 at Heavyweight after beating Ruiz.

I was posting about 168 and Nunn, Littles, Liles etc. is not europeans.

[BattlingNelson]

Hill was about as lineal as I am. And Dariusz chose to keep the WBO belt for obvious reasons.

You are not really saying that Jones was linear and not Hill are you?