Quote: "Manny Pacquiao is great. Marquez is just as great."

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

now that's a nice argument even though i disagree. we need more like that on this forum.

that's fine, but what's marquez greatest win?

a mid 30s barerra who knocked him down?

marquez claim to fame is pacquiao.

Pacquiao basically made marquez.

[viperz007]

Skill didn't win those fights... fighting weight drained, shot, past prime, and fighting fighters with a one dimensional style that no longer could pull the trigger is what won him those fights.

If he's so skilled and talented... why did he get his ass kicked by JMM twice and got schooled by an old, shot, past prime, weight drained EM? EM was also beating his ass in the 2nd fight until he ran out of gas in the fight and had nothing left for the 2nd half of the fight.

JMM is a more skilled boxer and Manny has a better resume. JMM will pick you apart while Manny wins fights because he has a speed advantage and has more power.

When was the last time you saw Manny pick apart his opponent and put on a boxing clinic without fighting a past prime, shot, and weight drained boxer?

JMM is only loss in his career was to Mayweather when he had to move up multiple weight classes to fight the best p4p fighter in the world.

okay tell me
coz u say marquez is more skilled than pac
and it wasnt skill that made pac won on those last 4 fights he had

can marquez skill beat those pacs 4 opponents coz u say his more skilled than pac?
lets say those opponents are weight drained also as u say
ur funny every opponent after pac fought becomes weight drained :///

okay answer my question
so ur saying marquez will win againts those 4? same condition as pac fought them

[Evil Abed]

dude u have to wake up ur still dang dreamin

ur stuck with the version of pac that fought marquez :///

tell me can marquez beat a single one of pacs last 4 opponents even dela hoya is a ghost using his skills?

Your making a size argument now.

Pac can add the weight without losing the speed and power.

Hes a physical freak.

So Manny is a better athlete and hes naturally bigger.

Marquez is still more skilled and more intelligent.

Everything equal.

Yes Marquez could beat all those guys if he could carry the weight like Pac.

[viperz007]

Your making a size argument now.

Pac can add the weight without losing the speed and power.

Hes a physical freak.

So Manny is a better athlete and hes naturally bigger.

Marquez is still more skilled and more intelligent.

Everything equal.

Yes Marquez could beat all those guys if he could carry the weight like Pac.

now your creating a fake version of marquez to equal a version of pac today :///

so your saying pac won those fights just coz of his conditioning and not his skills?
so a guys who is really in good condition without skills can win fights right?

heres the thing when pac fought marquez yah their equal or marquez a little ahead skillwise
but after that PAC > MARQUEZ by skillwise and resume

[McFearless]

to those people who say marquez is as great as pacquiao skillwise or is more intelegent that pac

will marquez win againts dela hoya, hatton, cotto, clottey? coz skill is the one that made pac win those fights so your saying marquez will win those too?

I like pac and ill give you the cotto and hatton wins
but oscar fight was more oscar not being oscar than pac being more skilled because if we're talking about skill oscar >>>>>> pac
And skill didn't make clottey play turtlefor a whole fight, joshua didn't wanna fight tbh

[paulsinghnl]

that's fine, but what's marquez greatest win?

a mid 30s barerra who knocked him down?

marquez claim to fame is pacquiao.

Pacquiao basically made marquez.

no i don't agree with that at all. i think it's how Marquez fights all his opponents, he finds away to stay in the game even if he loses (Mayweather). he keeps working on the puzzle to beating his opponent, harder each round. that's what makes him so great: the intelligence that he fights with along with that mexican fighting spirit.

Pacman is a warrior, he's smart too, but a lot of it goes out of the window on fight night, he just wants to f-in fight! for example, the Cotto fight, Pacquiao did the rope-a-dope, just to see if he could take his punches, to break Cotto's will or demotivate him, i guess. Marquez would NEVER fight Cotto like that (if he could ever fight him).

So, that's why they are equals in my opinion.

[viperz007]

I like pac and ill give you the cotto and hatton wins
but oscar fight was more oscar not being oscar than pac being more skilled because if we're talking about skill oscar >>>>>> pac
And skill didn't make clottey play turtlefor a whole fight, joshua didn't wanna fight tbh

i cant argue with your own opinion

but my opinion when watching that clottey fight it was pacs skills to circle hime while throwings lots of combos that made him cover up for 12 rounds,

coz clottey as i know is a really accurate counterpuncher

i expect pac to let himself get hit just for the other fighter to open up
and for him to hit the opponents face
you know like let him hit you sometimes so he will throw again

think of this what would you do if every punch you do misses and every misses you do you get hit 3-5 punches on your face?

[BrushMyCage]

chris john > pac and jmm combine

[Evil Abed]

now your creating a fake version of marquez to equal a version of pac today :///

so your saying pac won those fights just coz of his conditioning and not his skills?
so a guys who is really in good condition without skills can win fights right?

heres the thing when pac fought marquez yah their equal or marquez a little ahead skillwise
but after that PAC > MARQUEZ by skillwise and resume

Who said conditioning?

Pac wins because he has incredible speed, power and I guess conditioning since you want to bring that up.

I never said he had no skills.

I said Marquez had more skills.

If your not as skilled as Marquez that dosen't mean you have no skills.

That's like saying that if your not as fast as Pac, that your slow.

Pac has skills. But he relies more on his immense physical gifts and great game plans of Freddie Roach to win fights.

Marquez is a guy who has to rely mostly on his skills because he dosen't have the physical gifts that Manny possesses.

Marquez cannot compete with those guys like Cotto and Margo because he can't move up in weight and keep his speed and power like Manny.

So to reiterate.

If everything is equal Marquez is a more skilled and intelligent fighter.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

no i don't agree with that at all. i think it's how Marquez fights all his opponents, he finds away to stay in the game even if he loses (Mayweather). he keeps working on the puzzle to beating his opponent, harder each round. that's what makes him so great: the intelligence that he fights with along with that mexican fighting spirit.

Pacman is a warrior, he's smart too, but a lot of it goes out of the window on fight night, he just wants to f-in fight! for example, the Cotto fight, Pacquiao did the rope-a-dope, just to see if he could take his punches, to break Cotto's will or demotivate him, i guess. Marquez would NEVER fight Cotto like that (if he could ever fight him).

So, that's why they are equals in my opinion.

that's fine by me. but your opinion is wrong.

marquez at his absolute physical apex & optimum age (29-30) & weight (126) only managed to get knocked down 3x in one round by a very green, raw, one armed bandit, still developing early 20s pacquiao.

marquez is a first ballot hall of famer, falls short of ATG status & is below a level from pacquiao in terms of legacy.