To be the champ at 147?

[The Gambler1981]

No, not at all actually. Well not the lineal/real championship anyways.

And, no for the last paragraph it doesn't work that way. However, the reason why nobody would be consider the lineal/real champ at 168. Is because, there isn't any.

If Calzaghe comes back at 168 he still hasn't lost his championship.

That is Floyd situation minus two comeback fights.

This thread was always theoretical to begin with.

[jrosales13]

oh ok, got u...so who became lineal champ when floyd retired??? cotto??

Nah... Cotto was ranked #1 but not lineal champ.

The lineal title was vacant.

Margarito-Shane filled that vacancy.

Marg was ranked #1, Shane #3, Marg already had a win over the #2 ranked Cotto. So the that made the #1 vs #3 fill the vacancy since #1 was just coming off a win over #2.

Shane was won the vacant lineal title which he lost to Floyd.

Floyd is the man in the division right now, no matter what anybody else says.

[jrosales13]

If Calzaghe comes back at 168 he still hasn't lost his championship.

That is Floyd situation minus two comeback fights.

This thread was always theoretical to begin with.

But, he won't automatically be the lineal/real champ either. It doesn't matter if he lost it or not cuz he gave it up.

A better example, Wlad is the lineal/real HW champ. Lennox Lewis can not come out of retirement and be called the lineal/real HW champ cuz he didn't lose his title, he retired it. If he wants that title he would have to beat the current lineal/real champ in Wlad. Only way he gets it.

[daggum]

Nah... Cotto was ranked #1 but not lineal champ.

The lineal title was vacant.

Margarito-Shane filled that vacancy.

Marg was ranked #1, Shane #3, Marg already had a win over the #2 ranked Cotto. So the that made the #1 vs #3 fill the vacancy since #1 was just coming off a win over #2.

Shane was won the vacant lineal title which he lost to Floyd.

Floyd is the man in the division right now, no matter what anybody else says.

but being the man doesn't necessarily mean you are the best as zsolt erdei and carlos baldomir taught us. it's just an invisible title and nothing more.

[The Gambler1981]

oh ok, got u...so who became lineal champ when floyd retired??? cotto??

No one did, or else Floyd would have had another opponent to seek out. Some people say Mosley because Cotto and Margarito squared off for the number 1 spot then Margarito got smashed by Mosley.

That never did it for me though.

[The Gambler1981]

but being the man doesn't necessarily mean you are the best as zsolt erdei and carlos baldomir taught us. it's just an invisible title and nothing more.

Titles don't make the men, men make the titles.

[The Gambler1981]

But, he won't automatically be the lineal/real champ either. It doesn't matter if he lost it or not cuz he gave it up.

A better example, Wlad is the lineal/real HW champ. Lennox Lewis can not come out of retirement and be called the lineal/real HW champ cuz he didn't lose his title, he retired it. If he wants that title he would have to beat the current lineal/real champ in Wlad. Only way he gets it.

That is the question at hand though.

If Lennox came out of retirement, would people not be calling for him to see the current champ and vice versa? Would that not help out the current champs situation.


It is like Johnson-Jefferies, just because someone stops fighting doesn't mean people forget about them and if someone walks away without getting beat there is always someone that will consider that.

If you don't behead the king the king will never die in the minds of some people.

[Kagami Taiga]

but being the man doesn't necessarily mean you are the best as zsolt erdei and carlos baldomir taught us. it's just an invisible title and nothing more.

i kno baldo catches a lot of flack but give the guy a little respect. he shocked the the (albeit weak) ww division and the boxing world when he beat zab and he was still a top 10 ww at the time. even a journeyman deserves his 5mins in the spotlight.

[jrosales13]

That is the question at hand though.

If Lennox came out of retirement, would people not be calling for him to see the current champ and vice versa? Would that not help out the current champs situation.


It is like Johnson-Jefferies, just because someone stops fighting doesn't mean people forget about them and if someone walks away without getting beat there is always someone that will consider that.

If you don't behead the king the king will never die in the minds of some people.

Well if he comesback and shows that he is not out of shape and still has it. Of course people would call to see him fight the real/lineal champ.

However, that doesn't take away the fact that one Lennox is NOT the current lineal/real champ. And, that Wlad is the current lineal/real champ. The man of the division.

If Lennox wanted that title he would have to beat Wlad just like Floyd did to Shane.

[The Gambler1981]

Well if he comesback and shows that he is not out of shape and still has it. Of course people would call to see him fight the real/lineal champ.

However, that doesn't take away the fact that one Lennox is NOT the current lineal/real champ. And, that Wlad is the current lineal/real champ. The man of the division.

If Lennox wanted that title he would have to beat Wlad just like Floyd did to Shane.

Lennox in the minds of many is still a king, now Wlad is considered the current king.

If Lennox comes back and Wlad is like nah I don't want to fight him he is washed up how would people react? He would most likely be washed up but that is not how people would react to the situation.