Comments Thread For: HBO Pres Unsure Why Mayweather Turned Pacquiao Down

[GRUSTLER]

Floyd saw that too, and he also didn't accept to fight Mosley at that time. But why aren't you calling him out on that as well?

In fact, i do remember a time when shane called out floyd, TO HIS FACE and disrespected him and STILL floyd didn't fight him.

The only reason floyd fought mosley was because he had no other choice. In fact, he took two weeks to finally accept it.

At that time period, neither Floyd nor Pac fought Shane.

Yet people emphasize only Pac not fighting him when in fact NEITHER DID FLOYD.

Just like people say floyd may not have beaten the mother of his children cuz his trial is still ongoing since a person is innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt, yet do not give the same leeway for pac by saying that he is definitely on roids, in spite of lack of proof whatsoever.

Its this kind of double-standard and hypocrisy that really take away the credibility of those who criticize pac.

But Shane begged Manny for a fight for like 6 months.
Even said he would fight Pac at a catchweight of 142LBS
and Manny still wanted none. Pac fought Cotto at a
catchweight instead. No matter when Cotto beat Mosley
he still wasn't the #1 WW, Mosley was and Pac didn't
want to fight the #1 guy. I already stated that Shane
called out Floyd and Pac and neither wanted to fight
him. I think Floyd used the same excuse Roach and
Arum used and that was Mosley is not a big enough
name, so technically both didn't want to fight him BUT
at the end, Floyd did, no matter if he wanted to or not
and he still made it happen in dominate fashion. I didn't
even go into saying Manny was on roids in any of my
posts.

[GRUSTLER]

Manny never ducked anybody!!! Manny wanted to fight Margarito right after Margarito destroyed Cotto, that was when Margarito was considered the most dangerous welter alive.. Manny wanted to fight Mosley but Manny was already set to fight Cotto but Mosley was the 2nd choice if ever Cotto backs out.. And that statement of Shane was just a hype job of a possible future fight with Manny after the Cotto fight, it just so happens that Floyd came into the picture.. But if there was no Floyd, I bet you that Manny will take on Mosley next instead of that boring fighter in Clottey!!!

No he didn't and no he wasn't because..........

Originally Posted by GRUSTLER
ummm..... The Margarito fight was on January 24th
2009 and Pac Vs Cotto was held on November 14th
2009. Pac didn't want to fight Mosley. Immediately
after Mosley destroyed Margarito he called out Floyd
and Pac. Pac had plenty of time to negotiate the
fight but Roach said Mosley was too good so Pac
waited for Cotto to fight Clottey on June 13th 2009
and then picked Cotto because Roach said he wasn't
the same after Margarito and still made Cotto (The Champ)
come in at a catchweight for his title and even put a BS
diamond belt on the line. Mosley fought an UNDEFEATED
Miguel Cotto at 147 and Cotto slid by with a close win.
Mosley demolished Margarito, who made an UNDEFEATED
Cotto take a knee. You would think that Pac would want
to fight Mosley but he didn't.

[dan-b]

Then explain this.....

And, btw..... CLICK THE LINK..... that way you won't have to worry about me " manipulating you " ..... you will be able to read it for yourself.

And, btw, again..... they are BOB ARUM'S COMMENTS, not mine.

This is straight from the horses mouth, and I can find you at least a half dozen more links - just from boxingscene.com - as well as dozens of links from other sites, quoting Bob Arum. It went on for 4-5 weeks.





The fight will happen..... when Arum is ready.

And, you will be excited

How's that for imparting intrinsic knowledge

You're playing semantics. Why are you so worried about what Arum said and to who? There were negotiations, and Floyd's people tried to cover it up for some bizarre reason. It has to be the most futile attempt at a cover up of all time, as it was only ever going to take Ross Greenburg opening his mouth to end the speculation.

For some reason, you seem hellbent on making out Floyd is devolved of blame for any of this. I don't understand why any boxing fan would waste so much energy trying to argue about something so silly. This whole charade has been silly and epitomises the greed that has consumed and will, ultimately, kill our sport.

Fanboys will blame the otherside, but frankly I don't care anymore. The answers don't lie in poorly written boxingscene articles, those guys know about as much as we do. These "debates" are purely speculative and ceased to be interesting months ago.

I appreciate your effort in trying to present your argument, but sadly I don't see how you can have one and understand your motivation even less. Floyd Mayweather has not been good for our sport and his fights are pretty dull. None of that would matter as much if he didn't claim to be the greatest fighter of all time - which he obviously isn't. Sure Manny has his faults too, but there will be far less question marks over him when he retires (cue a boring comment about PEDs from someone who didn't know what they were prior to last December).

I don't do fanboyism, the only fighter anyone could ever accuse me of "nuthugging" is Bernard Hopkins - but I'm more than happy to mete out criticism of him too. Pacquiao I have found to be exciting and he rekindled my love of the sport a bit. If that makes me a ******* - whatever.

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You're playing semantics. Why are you so worried about what Arum said and to who? There were negotiations, and Floyd's people tried to cover it up for some bizarre reason. It has to be the most futile attempt at a cover up of all time, as it was only ever going to take Ross Greenburg opening his mouth to end the speculation.

For some reason, you seem hellbent on making out Floyd is devolved of blame for any of this. I don't understand why any boxing fan would waste so much energy trying to argue about something so silly. This whole charade has been silly and epitomises the greed that has consumed and will, ultimately, kill our sport.

Fanboys will blame the otherside, but frankly I don't care anymore. The answers don't lie in poorly written boxingscene articles, those guys know about as much as we do. These "debates" are purely speculative and ceased to be interesting months ago.

I appreciate your effort in trying to present your argument, but sadly I don't see how you can have one and understand your motivation even less. Floyd Mayweather has not been good for our sport and his fights are pretty dull. None of that would matter as much if he didn't claim to be the greatest fighter of all time - which he obviously isn't. Sure Manny has his faults too, but there will be far less question marks over him when he retires (cue a boring comment about PEDs from someone who didn't know what they were prior to last December).

I don't do fanboyism, the only fighter anyone could ever accuse me of "nuthugging" is Bernard Hopkins - but I'm more than happy to mete out criticism of him too. Pacquiao I have found to be exciting and he rekindled my love of the sport a bit. If that makes me a ******* - whatever.

You are definitely a *******, and an idiot.

Here is why.....

You have COMPLETELY IGNORED statements that are directly quoted from Bob Arum himself, that categorically confirm beyond doubt, that Bob Arum lied about the negotiations, and that his "deadline" was a sham.

So yes, you are an ignorant ******* for ignoring those definitive statements, simply brushing them off, and then trying to insinuate that the blame lies elsewhere, but not providing any evidence at all in support.

And you are an idiot for arguing with me about it.

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING TO YOU.....
Nobody denies that Arum publicly stated on numerous occasions that he personally negotiated a deal with GBP, who forwarded it to Mayweather for approval. Then he placed a two week " deadline " on the table, even going to the trouble of putting a count-down timer on the Top Rank website.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM ADMITTING IT.....
Then, after Bob Arum's conference call, Schaefer immediately released a statement which forced Arum to admit that both him and Ross Greenburg had NEVER spoken with anyone from GBP.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

HERE IS DAN.....

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Dan, apparently it suits you to ignore a lot of things.....

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Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.

Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.

Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.

Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.

He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.

Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.

Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.

That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.

Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.

When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.

Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.

Pretty predictable.

As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade.

The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.

To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.

This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?

So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.

Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.

Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.

Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.

That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.

Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.

Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.

In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.

Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.

Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."

Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.

Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.

Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It's just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day!

Marley claims that Golden Boy's position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind.

Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he's also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar.

Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement.

Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum's claims of "negotiations" and "agreements" were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment.

Mayweather's guy's wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellebre are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of "agreements," "deals," "contracts," and "negotiations."

[danny711]

You're playing semantics. Why are you so worried about what Arum said and to who? There were negotiations, and Floyd's people tried to cover it up for some bizarre reason. It has to be the most futile attempt at a cover up of all time, as it was only ever going to take Ross Greenburg opening his mouth to end the speculation.

For some reason, you seem hellbent on making out Floyd is devolved of blame for any of this. I don't understand why any boxing fan would waste so much energy trying to argue about something so silly. This whole charade has been silly and epitomises the greed that has consumed and will, ultimately, kill our sport.

Fanboys will blame the otherside, but frankly I don't care anymore. The answers don't lie in poorly written boxingscene articles, those guys know about as much as we do. These "debates" are purely speculative and ceased to be interesting months ago.

I appreciate your effort in trying to present your argument, but sadly I don't see how you can have one and understand your motivation even less. Floyd Mayweather has not been good for our sport and his fights are pretty dull. None of that would matter as much if he didn't claim to be the greatest fighter of all time - which he obviously isn't. Sure Manny has his faults too, but there will be far less question marks over him when he retires (cue a boring comment about PEDs from someone who didn't know what they were prior to last December).

I don't do fanboyism, the only fighter anyone could ever accuse me of "nuthugging" is Bernard Hopkins - but I'm more than happy to mete out criticism of him too. Pacquiao I have found to be exciting and he rekindled my love of the sport a bit. If that makes me a ******* - whatever.

very nice sir

[dan-b]

You are definitely a *******, and an idiot.

Here is why.....

You have COMPLETELY IGNORED statements that are directly quoted from Bob Arum himself, that categorically confirm beyond doubt, that Bob Arum lied about the negotiations, and that his "deadline" was a sham.

So yes, you are an ignorant ******* for ignoring those definitive statements, simply brushing them off, and then trying to insinuate that the blame lies elsewhere, but not providing any evidence at all in support.

And you are an idiot for arguing with me about it.

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING TO YOU.....
Nobody denies that Arum publicly stated on numerous occasions that he personally negotiated a deal with GBP, who forwarded it to Mayweather for approval. Then he placed a two week " deadline " on the table, even going to the trouble of putting a count-down timer on the Top Rank website.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM ADMITTING IT.....
Then, after Bob Arum's conference call, Schaefer immediately released a statement which forced Arum to admit that both him and Ross Greenburg had NEVER spoken with anyone from GBP.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

HERE IS DAN.....

Okay; it's clear you're a troll and probably very young. Have fun - I don't care about you.

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Okay; it's clear you're a troll and probably very young. Have fun - I don't care about you.

Dan.....

for the, what are we up to now? is this the 6th or is it the 7th time that I have asked you.....

Pull your head out of your asss, and explain this.....

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING TO YOU.....
Nobody denies that Arum publicly stated on numerous occasions that he personally negotiated a deal with GBP, who forwarded it to Mayweather for approval. Then he placed a two week " deadline " on the table, even going to the trouble of putting a count-down timer on the Top Rank website.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM ADMITTING IT.....
Then, after Bob Arum's conference call, Schaefer immediately released a statement which forced Arum to admit that both him and Ross Greenburg had NEVER spoken with anyone from GBP.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

[al-Xander]

But Shane begged Manny for a fight for like 6 months.

You mean Shane talked to Manny personally? Don't
you know that Mosley is a GBP guy? Is it that easy
to make a fight? Just beg for the fight and you're
suppose to get it?
Is this what you're saying here? No politics should be
involved, Top Rank in-house fighting should be ignored,
and all those complications. Just beg and it will be handed
to you. Is that how simple minded you guys are?
This is just plain nitpicking to me.

[dan-b]

You mean Shane talked to Manny personally? Don't
you know that Mosley is a GBP guy? Is it that easy
to make a fight? Just beg for the fight and you're
suppose to get it?
Is this what you're saying here? No politics should be
involved, Top Rank in-house fighting should be ignored,
and all those complications. Just beg and it will be handed
to you. Is that how simple minded you guys are?This is just plain nitpicking to me.

Yes, they are. They need an absolute otherwise they are confused. As you will see in this thread; I have some Floyd Mayweather fanboy, demanding I read obscure quotes from Arum because he feels they vindicate "his boy's" actions. He's clearly a troll as he's repeatedly ignored the fact I don't care for this futile "debate" any longer.