Comments Thread For: HBO Pres Unsure Why Mayweather Turned Pacquiao Down

[GRUSTLER]

that's all im trying to say so why you acting all ******? you might not care about floyd's money but i cant say the same for the rest of floyds fan. that's all they care about. have you been to NSB? floyd fans take great pride in playing floyd's CIA (certified internet accountant). They think they know exactly how much floyd makes, yet there's always news reports that he cant pay his bills, getting cars repo'd, getting sued left & right by business deals, & getting IRS tax liens against him.

again, not a good sign that you are having money problems at the very top of your earning potential prime. What's gonna happen to floyd when he's not getting paydays from boxing anymore?

You aint backing **** up by the way. All you are doing is posting opinions of other people & trying to justify it as facts to fit your agenda.

Pac got all of these awards, praises and honors while Floyd
retires, unretires, talk $#!t AND Pac still can't top him as the
top earner in the sport of boxing EVEN with better contracts?
If Manny is so much greater and popular than Floyd, how come
he can't completely out sell him in the sport of Boxing? Does
Floyd doing more numbers than Manny make him more popular
to the public than Manny? With all the dislike and hate towards
Floyd and all the praises and awards towards Pac. How come
Pac still hasn't totally kncok Floyd out the game? They need
to fight each other bottomline. Floyd is still in the running for
Manny's top spot no matter what. When they both retire
people will still debate who's the real P4P#1 fighter in the sport.
Floyd held that spot down for NUMEROUS YEARS without
anyone sharing that tilte with him BUT Manny shares it with
Floyd.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

I'll tell you the reason. Pac's career was carefully guided
after Juan Manuel Marquez against Top Rank fighters that
already been in wars. With exception to Oscar and Hatton
who are Golden Boy but Floyd had the better versions of
them both.

really how? you mean by top rank who is known for meticulously matchmaking their star fighters? YOU DO KNOW WHO MANAGED GUIDED FLOYD'S CAREER UP TO THE ZAB JUDAH GATTI FIGHTS RIGHT?

TOP RANK.

Top rank only got control of pac after pac had already taken on 3 bona fide future hall of famers in juan manuel marquez, marco antonio barerra, & erik morales. ALL BEFORE PAC HIT 27, ALL BEFORE PAC HIT HIS PRIME, ALL WHILE PAC WAS STILL A ONE ARMED BANDIT, ALL WHILE PAC WAS A RAW, VERY GREEN ONE DIMENSIONAL FIGHTER. Pac had no amateur background, no olympic background, no famous last name, no nice cushy country & neighborhood like floyd did growing up.

WTF has floyd done since leaving his carefully guided career by top rank? please tell me grus.

I like watching Pac fights but come on! Pac
greater than Floyd? Floyd retired and Pac took his slot.
He never beat him. How can Pac be better, when he didn't
even beat the man for the top spot? The only reason why
Pac is getting such praise next to Floyd is because Pac fights
more and smiles.

Do you even follow boxing? HOw old was floyd when he first took on his legit bona fide hall of fame opponent? How many Hall of fame opponent does floyd have in his resume?

Pac was in his early 20s when he first faced his legitimate bona fide hall of fame opponent in barerra. Floyd was in his 30s facing a old washed up version of dela hoya.

Pac has 4 bona fide hall of famers in his resume in the 3 hall of fame mexicans plus oscar. Pac fought all 3 mexican hall of famers when they were all 30 years old or under. How many does floyd have? He has 3 in marquez 36 years old when he fought him at welterweight, oscar 33, & shane 38.

Who was a champion in more divisions? Pac.

Who has more fighter of the years? Pac.

Who is more decorated in boxing? Pac.

Did floyd beat bernard to take p4p 1# title? did shane beat roy to take the p4p 1#? did roy beat pernell to take p4p 1#?

Dont be ****** & ignorant.

The funny thing is that people talk about
Mosley being old but atleast more people thought he had a
chance against Floyd than Cotto/Clottey and now Margarito
against Pac put together. When Floyd was the P4P#1 fighter
in the sport he was the only one but with Pac, it is still debatable
to some boxing analyst and websites. Floyd had two fights
at WW since he been back while Manny fought there 3 times
and Floyd managed to take top WW from Manny with one fight
against Mosley (WHO WAS THE #1 WW) Talk to me about
how great Manny is once he stops fighting inhouse.

mosley was 38 years old going on 39 & hadnt fought in 1 year & 5 months. nobody serious thought he had a chance. LAS VEGAS ODDS PROVES THIS. Pac is the consensus p4p 1#. Floyd's been at welter for 5 years & counting &he has managed to fight 2 career 140 pounders in sharmba mitchell & hatton, a 36 year old career featherweight, & a 38 year old 1 year & 5 month inactive shane mosley while not managing to fight cotto, margarito, younger shane, paul williams, cintron, berto but instead retiring after beating hatton & leaving then the most loaded division in all of boxing.

DISGUSTING.

Pac as recently as 2008 was fighting marquez at 130lbs. Pac started at 106. floyd at 130. The fact that pac already has cotto, oscar, clottey & now margarito in his such short period of time at welter is downright laughable in comparison to floyd.

[GRUSTLER]

really how? you mean by top rank who is known for meticulously matchmaking their star fighters? YOU DO KNOW WHO MANAGED GUIDED FLOYD'S CAREER UP TO THE ZAB JUDAH GATTI FIGHTS RIGHT?

TOP RANK.

Top rank only got control of pac after pac had already taken on 3 bona fide future hall of famers in juan manuel marquez, marco antonio barerra, & erik morales. ALL BEFORE PAC HIT 27, ALL BEFORE PAC HIT HIS PRIME, ALL WHILE PAC WAS STILL A ONE ARMED BANDIT, ALL WHILE PAC WAS A RAW, VERY GREEN ONE DIMENSIONAL FIGHTER. Pac had no amateur background, no olympic background, no famous last name, no nice cushy country & neighborhood like floyd did growing up.

WTF has floyd done since leaving his carefully guided career by top rank? please tell me grus.



Do you even follow boxing? HOw old was floyd when he first took on his legit bona fide hall of fame opponent? How many Hall of fame opponent does floyd have in his resume?

Pac was in his early 20s when he first faced his legitimate bona fide hall of fame opponent in barerra. Floyd was in his 30s facing a old washed up version of dela hoya.

Pac has 4 bona fide hall of famers in his resume in the 3 hall of fame mexicans plus oscar. Pac fought all 3 mexican hall of famers when they were all 30 years old or under. How many does floyd have? He has 3 in marquez 36 years old when he fought him at welterweight, oscar 33, & shane 38.

Who was a champion in more divisions? Pac.

Who has more fighter of the years? Pac.

Who is more decorated in boxing? Pac.

Did floyd beat bernard to take p4p 1# title? did shane beat roy to take the p4p 1#? did roy beat pernell to take p4p 1#?

Dont be ****** & ignorant.




mosley was 38 years old going on 39 & hadnt fought in 1 year & 5 months. nobody serious thought he had a chance. LAS VEGAS ODDS PROVES THIS. Pac is the consensus p4p 1#. Floyd's been at welter for 5 years & counting &he has managed to fight 2 career 140 pounders in sharmba mitchell & hatton, a 36 year old career featherweight, & a 38 year old 1 year & 5 month inactive shane mosley while not managing to fight cotto, margarito, younger shane, paul williams, cintron, berto but instead retiring after beating hatton & leaving then the most loaded division in all of boxing.

DISGUSTING.

Pac as recently as 2008 was fighting marquez at 130lbs. Pac started at 106. floyd at 130. The fact that pac already has cotto, oscar, clottey & now margarito in his such short period of time at welter is downright laughable in comparison to floyd.

Pac still wouldn't fight him and Mosley beggged him. By the way,
regarding Mosley not being a threat to Floyd. Here's a quote AND
a link that says otherwise from ESPN's Dan Rafael........

Mayweather, however, has a chance to at least shush the critics now that he is finally going to face an elite welterweight in champion Shane Mosley

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=5146915

Here's another one....

"Shane called me earlier [Monday] and said that's it, he's had it," Shaefer said. "He's not waiting around anymore. He said, 'This guy [Pacquiao] is obviously scared of me. So let's move on.' Sugar Shane Mosley's career has not been built around Pacquiao. He already has a legacy of greatness. But eventually a Mayweather or Cotto or Pacquiao will need him. That day will come."

http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo...pacquiao-dream

Shane said that not me.

[GRUSTLER]

OK, that's enough posting for me for one day. See you
guys on the threads later.

GRUSTLER

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Pac still wouldn't fight him and Mosley beggged him. By the way,
regarding Mosley not being a threat to Floyd. Here's a quote AND
a link that says otherwise from ESPN's Dan Rafael........



Here's another one....



Shane said that not me.

LMFAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What are you proving with those quotes grustler? seriously?

WTF are you proving?


Pac not fighting shane is a moot point, pac vs cotto was already under way. You know miguel cotto, the guy that beat a younger, fresher shane that floyd beat.

What are you proving? NOT A GOD DAMN THING. Pac destroyed the guy that beat shane in a in house fight with the same promotional firm which means more money for pac & arum, in a highly successful ppv.

Stop grasping at straws with the pac ducked mosley floids infested virus talking point. ****ing weaksauce. You are only relegated to it because pac hasnt faced mosley. You guys are doing the same thing you accuse pac fans do to floyd. calling duck just because they didnt face the fighter.

Did you see how bad shane looked on fight night vs floyd? he was done after the 3rd round. The shane that showed up to fight floyd would have been murked by manny.

Did you see shane vs sergrio freaking mora? That tells you all you need to know about how great a version of shane that floyd beat. Because if floyd beat a still good mosley, then mosley would have simply beaten a generic club fighter like mora. but he didnt. the mora draw(loss really) certified how old, shot, & way past prime mosley was.

weak response by the way.

[GRUSTLER]

LMFAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What are you proving with those quotes grustler? seriously?

WTF are you proving?


Pac not fighting shane is a moot point, pac vs cotto was already under way. You know miguel cotto, the guy that beat a younger, fresher shane that floyd beat.

What are you proving? NOT A GOD DAMN THING. Pac destroyed the guy that beat shane in a in house fight with the same promotional firm which means more money for pac & arum, in a highly successful ppv.

Stop grasping at straws with the pac ducked mosley floids infested virus talking point. ****ing weaksauce. You are only relegated to it because pac hasnt faced mosley. You guys are doing the same thing you accuse pac fans do to floyd. calling duck just because they didnt face the fighter.

Did you see how bad shane looked on fight night vs floyd? he was done after the 3rd round. The shane that showed up to fight floyd would have been murked by manny.

Did you see shane vs sergrio freaking mora? That tells you all you need to know about how great a version of shane that floyd beat. Because if floyd beat a still good mosley, then mosley would have simply beaten a generic club fighter like mora. but he didnt. the mora draw(loss really) certified how old, shot, & way past prime mosley was.

weak response by the way.

ummm..... The Margarito fight was on January 24th
2009 and Pac Vs Cotto was held on November 14th
2009. Pac didn't want to fight Mosley. Immediately
after Mosley destroyed Margarito he called out Floyd
and Pac. Pac had plenty of time to negotiate the
fight but Roach said Mosley was too good so Pac
waited for Cotto to fight Clottey on June 13th 2009
and then picked Cotto because Roach said he wasn't
the same after Margarito and still made Cotto (The Champ)
come in at a catchweight for his title and even put a BS
diamond belt on the line. Mosley fought an UNDEFEATED
Miguel Cotto at 147 and Cotto slid by with a close win.
Mosley demolished Margarito, who made an UNDEFEATED
Cotto take a knee. You would think that Pac would want
to fight Mosley but he didn't.

By the way.... That's not me saying Pac
ducked Shane. Shane is saying Pac ducked.
Actually said Manny was scared of him. Floyd
made Mosley look like that. I predicted the fight
would turn out like that before they even
thought about fighting each other. If Pac
and Roach was so confident about beating Mosley,
how come they didn't take the fight? And how
come Roach said Floyd would never fight Mosley
on an video interview? Obviously before Floyd
fought Mosley people thought he was some sort
of threat. Your debating me like I'm making this
up.

[AFighter4U]

ummm..... The Margarito fight was on January 24th
2009 and Pac Vs Cotto was held on November 14th
2009. Pac didn't want to fight Mosley. Immediately
after Mosley destroyed Margarito he called out Floyd
and Pac. Pac had plenty of time to negotiate the
fight but Roach said Mosley was too good so Pac
waited for Cotto to fight Clottey on June 13th 2009
and then picked Cotto because Roach said he wasn't
the same after Margarito and still made Cotto (The Champ)
come in at a catchweight for his title and even put a BS
diamond belt on the line. Mosley fought an UNDEFEATED
Miguel Cotto at 147 and Cotto slid by with a close win.
Mosley demolished Margarito, who made an UNDEFEATED
Cotto take a knee. You would think that Pac would want
to fight Mosley but he didn't.

By the way.... That's not me saying Pac
ducked Shane. Shane is saying Pac ducked.
Actually said Manny was scared of him. Floyd
made Mosley look like that. I predicted the fight
would turn out like that before they even
thought about fighting each other. If Pac
and Roach was so confident about beating Mosley,
how come they didn't take the fight? And how
come Roach said Floyd would never fight Mosley
on an video interview? Obviously before Floyd
fought Mosley people thought he was some sort
of threat. Your debating me like I'm making this
up.

ROACH said he didn't want pac to fight mosley.

What i cannot understand is why people are always going back to this.

If you honestly think Pac was afraid of fighting mosley, why then do you think BOTH Pac and Roach repeatedly said they wanted to fight Floyd, who beat the crap out of Mosley?

Does it make ANY sense for Pac to be afraid to fight Mosley who was easily beaten by floyd and at the same time exited to fight Floyd?

Let me put it to you this way. Do you honestly think the Mosley who fought Floyd would have a chance to beat Pac? I don't think so.

[GRUSTLER]

ROACH said he didn't want pac to fight mosley.

What i cannot understand is why people are always going back to this.

If you honestly think Pac was afraid of fighting mosley, why then do you think BOTH Pac and Roach repeatedly said they wanted to fight Floyd, who beat the crap out of Mosley?

Does it make ANY sense for Pac to be afraid to fight Mosley who was easily beaten by floyd and at the same time exited to fight Floyd?Let me put it to you this way. Do you honestly think the Mosley who fought Floyd would have a chance to beat Pac? I don't think so.

Your point is moot because Roach and Manny didn't know
how Mosley would do because Floyd and Mosley didn't fight
yet. The only thing Roach and Manny saw was Mosley
beat Margarito up for 9rds then knock him out.

[AFighter4U]

Your point is moot because Roach and Manny didn't know
how Mosley would do because Floyd and Mosley didn't fight
yet. The only thing Roach and Manny saw was Mosley
beat Margarito up for 9rds then knock him out.

Floyd saw that too, and he also didn't accept to fight Mosley at that time. But why aren't you calling him out on that as well?

In fact, i do remember a time when shane called out floyd, TO HIS FACE and disrespected him and STILL floyd didn't fight him.

The only reason floyd fought mosley was because he had no other choice. In fact, he took two weeks to finally accept it.

At that time period, neither Floyd nor Pac fought Shane.

Yet people emphasize only Pac not fighting him when in fact NEITHER DID FLOYD.

Just like people say floyd may not have beaten the mother of his children cuz his trial is still ongoing since a person is innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt, yet do not give the same leeway for pac by saying that he is definitely on roids, in spite of lack of proof whatsoever.

Its this kind of double-standard and hypocrisy that really take away the credibility of those who criticize pac.

[ALG United]

Your point is moot because Roach and Manny didn't know
how Mosley would do because Floyd and Mosley didn't fight
yet. The only thing Roach and Manny saw was Mosley
beat Margarito up for 9rds then knock him out.

Manny never ducked anybody!!! Manny wanted to fight Margarito right after Margarito destroyed Cotto, that was when Margarito was considered the most dangerous welter alive.. Manny wanted to fight Mosley but Manny was already set to fight Cotto but Mosley was the 2nd choice if ever Cotto backs out.. And that statement of Shane was just a hype job of a possible future fight with Manny after the Cotto fight, it just so happens that Floyd came into the picture.. But if there was no Floyd, I bet you that Manny will take on Mosley next instead of that boring fighter in Clottey!!!