Dan Rafael: "A seven-day cutoff is quite REASONABLE but Floyd still REFUSED to budge"

[Red_Menace]

well, the USDA were cool w/ a 18 day cut off for mosley/wifebeater jr, so a 7 day cut off is more than reasonable.

No, they weren't cool with that. That isn't what happened There was no cutoff date. They retained the right to test at any time. Floyd and Mosley were not notified that the testing would stop. What Pac's team wants is a window where they know they will not be tested and the testing organization will not be allowed to test. The difference between those two situations should be very clear. In one case you won't risk cheating because you could be caught. In the other, you know you won't get tested, so cheat away!

This has been posted and over again, and either people have selective memories or can't read.

[Ray*]

No, they weren't cool with that. That isn't what happened There was no cutoff date. They retained the right to test at any time. Floyd and Mosley were not notified that the testing would stop. What Pac's team wants is a window where they know they will not be tested and the testing organization will not be allowed to test. The difference between those two situations should be very clear. In one case you won't risk cheating because you could be caught. In the other, you know you won't get tested, so cheat away!

This has been posted and over again, and either people have selective memories or can't read.

Not only this, They are also dumb and ******ed.. Only a ****** would think 18 days no test before the Mayweather-Mosley fight was non random testing.

[Carpe Diem]

well, the USDA were cool w/ a 18 day cut off for mosley/wifebeater jr, so a 7 day cut off is more than reasonable.

It's reasonable as long USADA stop testing them at that period of time without Pacquiao's and Wifebeater's Jr knowledge.

[Mr. Philadel]

Mosley-Floyd saw the testing stop at 18 days.....so 7 days should be more than cool....KNOWING this, if I was Manny, I would accept the zero days thing because those clown ass testers might stop testing way before 7 days.

[Red_Menace]

Mosley-Floyd saw the testing stop at 18 days.....so 7 days should be more than cool....KNOWING this, if I was Manny, I would accept the zero days thing because those clown ass testers might stop testing way before 7 days.

Whaaat? How did they see the testing stop? They didn't know that it was the last test. No one told them, "Ok guys, this is the last blood test." Even if they agree to zero days, it doesn't mean they will definitely test in the last week. It just means that they can. The testing is random. It can happen at any time.

[p4p-champ]

well, the USDA were cool w/ a 18 day cut off for mosley/wifebeater jr, so a 7 day cut off is more than reasonable.

Read and learn, son....

"We chose not to test for blood closer to the fight than we did because there was no need to do so. But, of course, if we had some sort of cause or su****ion that meant that we needed to do more blood tests, let's say, five days, or, four days before a fight, then we certainly would have done it. And that's why the right to have that option is such an important aspect to having a good program. It's a deterrent for the fighters," said Tygart.

"[We were] totally comfortable only having that blood test 18 days before the fight and not needing one more testing day in between. And importantly, the reality is, the people who want to criticize, they were hoping that we were going to blood test the day of the fight or the day before the fight, or two days or four days before the fight," said Tygart.

"And then, they were going to hope and pray that whatever fighter lost, that fighter was going to blame the blood test," said Tygart. "So since that didn't happen -- and that testing didn't need to happen to have an effective program -- they now have to try to complain that the window was too big."

Citing his last defeat, a unanimous decision loss to Erik Morales in March of 2005, the 31-year-old, Pacquiao (51-3-2, 38 knockouts) -- a newly-elected, Philippines congressman -- contends that drawing blood within days of the bout weakens him.

[Pullcounter]

"We chose not to test for blood closer to the fight than we did because there was no need to do so.

so a 7 day cut off should be cool...

But, of course, if we had some sort of cause or su****ion that meant that we needed to do more blood tests, let's say, five days, or, four days before a fight, then we certainly would have done it. And that's why the right to have that option is such an important aspect to having a good program. It's a deterrent for the fighters," said Tygart.

so what's the difference between 5-4 days and 7 days, considering that the boxers are already tapering off their training and are in full promotion of the fight? why 5-4 days and not 7 days or 1 day? is that an arbitrary number or what?

"[We were] totally comfortable only having that blood test 18 days before the fight and not needing one more testing day in between. And importantly, the reality is, the people who want to criticize, they were hoping that we were going to blood test the day of the fight or the day before the fight, or two days or four days before the fight," said Tygart.

well if you comfortable with 18 days, I don't get why 7 days is unacceptable. 7 days is better than 18 days.

"And then, they were going to hope and pray that whatever fighter lost, that fighter was going to blame the blood test," said Tygart. "So since that didn't happen -- and that testing didn't need to happen to have an effective program -- they now have to try to complain that the window was too big."

I get it... the whole reason to keep it at 18 days is so that no one could complain that it was the blood tests that affected the boxer's performance. So then why not just keep it at 18 days so that no boxer can complain that it was the blood tests that screwed up his performance. And also 7 days is still better than 18 days.

[Red_Menace]

so a 7 day cut off should be cool...

well if you comfortable with 18 days, I don't get why 7 days is unacceptable. 7 days is better than 18 days.

Read the full quote:

"We chose not to test for blood closer to the fight than we did because there was no need to do so. But, of course, if we had some sort of cause or su****ion that meant that we needed to do more blood tests, let's say, five days, or, four days before a fight, then we certainly would have done it. And that's why the right to have that option is such an important aspect to having a good program. It's a deterrent for the fighters," said Tygart.

This is exactly what I reminded you of when I responded a couple posts ago. There is no cut off! They retain the right to test at any time, and the athletes are unaware of when their last test will be. That is the deterrant aspect of the program.

The best part about my posts was I complained about people with selective memories, and people that can't read, and you have demonstrated both.

[The Gambler1981]

A week is still seven days to many if you are demanding zero days. Really now if it is that important to him, why should Floyd go into the ring with anything less than what makes him feel at ease.

In sports, compromises on drug tested generally mean that there is no point to that drug testing (see MLB) in the first place.

[Mr. Philadel]

Whaaat? How did they see the testing stop? They didn't know that it was the last test. No one told them, "Ok guys, this is the last blood test." Even if they agree to zero days, it doesn't mean they will definitely test in the last week. It just means that they can. The testing is random. It can happen at any time.

you misunderstood my slang ....I didn't mean that they actually SAW the tests stoppin' at 18 days....I meant that since its is KNOWN NOW that the testers didnt do **** for 18 days that should make Manny a lil comfortable with accepting the zero days....he might actually get more than the 7 he wants cut.