Comments Thread For: Roach Eyes KO Win: Margarito Slow, Defense is Terrible

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True, the only reason this fight is at 150 is because of the absurd 154 title which I agree is pointless but again this is just another tool market this fight..

One things for sure, Shane fought Marg at 147 and Pac is fighting him at 150.. I dont see an advantage for Pac here.. and really Roach and Team were willing to go after Cottos title again at 154 but that fight in everyones eyes wouldnt sell well considering the way Pac destroyed Cotto the first time around. This says alot, those extra pounds wouldnt make a difference. The outcome of another Pac vs. Cotto fight would be the same at 147 or 154.

Ok, so why not fight for the 154 title at 154 and not 150
if it is not for any advantage? The advantage is for the
smaller Pac to not have to make the official wieght limit
and still win a title to enhance his name. They could have
easily fought the fight at 150 first and then make it a title
fight once they saw if Pac can hack it at that weight or not.
Guarantee IF Pac wins this title, that he will not defend it,
like he did at 140. The next fight after Margarito is a Cotto
rematch for his title. Sure wins for Pac and his legacy.

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What made Marquez calling out Floyd a legitimate challenge was the fact that Manny was avoiding Marquez for one then Marquez was ranked #2 p4p at the time also. Now with Pac/Cheato 24/7 We now know that Pac never agreed to unrestricted random testing. Pac is a whack ass fake.

Really? Didn't see it.

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Again! Margarito could have got it along with Cotto
but the #'s weren't matching up and the Oscar fight
couldn't be done for the kind of money Floyd wanted
according to Arum. Floyd made the Oscar fight happen,
so I believe if the money was right, Margarito/Cotto could
have got it too. Oscar title fight at 154 was more dangerous
than a Margarito one at 147. In my book, Margarito proved
his worth by cheating. No way will I come down on Floyd
for not fighting Margarito but instead getting the Lineal
title at WW and then the mega fight at 154 against Oscar.
Floyd was more dominate at 130 than Manny (Documented),
fought more contenders at 135 than Pacquiao did when he
was there AND fought more at 140 then Pac did (TRUE).
Floyd became the Lineal champion at 147, while Pac hasn't
(FACT) AND Floyd moved up to 154, won a title being the
smaller man WITHOUT A CATCHWEIGHT ( FACT). Manny
could have become the main champ at 147 but decided
not to fight an "old" Mosley. Honestly, tell me how much
more Pacquiao has accomplished than Floyd?

as far as lineal championships are concerned...manny has 4 (the most)...titles in diff weight classes...manny has 7 (the most)...fighter of the decade? Manny not floyd...achivements manny>>>>floyd...do you get it now? wait there is something floyd has over manny, that is the # of boring fights

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So Roach continues the tradition of picking guys who he readily admits suck and are ready made for Pac? **** me...

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Ok, so why not fight for the 154 title at 154 and not 150
if it is not for any advantage? The advantage is for the
smaller Pac to not have to make the official wieght limit
and still win a title to enhance his name. They could have
easily fought the fight at 150 first and then make it a title
fight once they saw if Pac can hack it at that weight or not.
Guarantee IF Pac wins this title, that he will not defend it,
like he did at 140. The next fight after Margarito is a Cotto
rematch for his title. Sure wins for Pac and his legacy.

what can you say about your boy pwill then? despite winning the first fight with sergio and being bigger and having longer reach than sergio, he asked for a catchweight of 157 lbs for the middleweight title???? hhhmmm... pac asked for a catchweight for obvious reasons...because he is smaller but pwill??? hhhmmm....

[JAS_JAS]

Ummmm...... Manny Pacquiao is around the same size as JMM.
Manny is 5ft 6.5inches and JMM is 5ft 7inches. By your logic, if
Floyd fought and dominated Pac then he would be a lil light
weight as well because Pac is shorter than JMM? JMM even gave
Manny two of his most competitive fights that to this day are
questionable wins on his resume. How much did Floyd weigh on
fight night with JMM? the catchweight was 144 and he came in
around 146 or so? Floyd is not a fighter who imposes his weight
on his opponents because if that was the case, JMM would
have been KO'd. Cotto and Margarito are pressure fighters
who rely on their size and power to back down their
opponents AND both fights were and are at catchweights.
Your saying that I would crucify Manny but your crucifier
Floyd.

its about adjusting to the higher weightclass...Marquez cant and Manny can...simple as that.

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Ok, so according to you Floyd waited till Mosley got old
but in reality Floyd wanted to fight Mosley and Oscar
since he was a Jr Lightweight and Shane was a Lightweight
but Shane didn't want the fight. Floyd even called Mosley
out after the Bruseles fight and said that he was moving up
to 147 to try to land a fight with Shane and Oscar. All of this
is documented as facts. Another fact is that Manny Pacquiao
and Freddie Roach did not want to fight according to you
"an old Mosley" and Mosley was begging for the fight. Even
was willing to go down to 142/140. Pac said NO and fought
Cotto at 145? Shane got some hard solid punches off. the
best at that and Floyd weathered them then dominated
Mosley.

BUT reality is pbf fought mosely when he is old thats a fact that you cant argue, mosely is old when he fought pbf, he cant pull the trigger in the 3rd round onwards...manny fought the one that beat the old mosely, doesn't that count? if manny fought mosely and mosely looked just like the one that pbf fought pbf, a lot of people will say he is old...get it

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yeah and pac fought cotto who beat moseley who beat the **** out of tony... your quoting roach to suit your arguments...do you believe roach also when he says manny is going to KO floyd? cotto not the same fighter? so manny is also not the same fighter because he was kod twice? your arguments on fighters losing is a bit absurd...

An undefeated, prime, Miguel Cotto has a close and questionable
win against an even then older than him Mosley. Just like Pac has
2 debatable wins against Juan Manuel Marquez (2nd more debatable
than the first). Floyd dominated both Mosley and JMM. Floyd
dominated Mosley a year and 1/2 after a prime Cotto went to
arguable decision with Mosley. that same old guy who beat the
crap out of Margarito, who stomped a mud hole in Cotto. In one fight
Floyd made JMM looked like he wasn't even worth it, while Pac, got
taken to hell and back. I'm just quoting Roach because everything
I'm saying is all true.

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BUT reality is pbf fought mosely when he is old thats a fact that you cant argue, mosely is old when he fought pbf, he cant pull the trigger in the 3rd round onwards...manny fought the one that beat the old mosely, doesn't that count? if manny fought mosely and mosely looked just like the one that pbf fought pbf, a lot of people will say he is old...get it

Manny fought Cotto who got beat by Margarito, who Shane KO'd.
It counts that Cotto beat Mosley but he was also undefeated and
fresher at the time. Mosley was still older than Cotto and Cotto
barely got out of that one. Pacquiao didn't even want to fight
Mosley and Mosley was the one at WW NOT Cotto. Cotto wasn't
the same Cotto that beat Mosley BUT Mosley had the same trainer
that helped him win against Margarito. I never said Mosley was too
old to hang, that is what you said.

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im more worried about margarito farting in the ring, did you see his wife when he farted in the same room? she started gagging and wanted to throw up and thats after she ran away faster than usain bolt. seriously the ref needs to take a point away if he farts and clinches pacquiao so he has to smell it, thats cheating