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  • #71
    Originally posted by boxer2k5 View Post
    every fight with morales morales was comming off a lost. even tho barerra was having a good run he was being called washed up when he first fought morales. years before. and after the draw(i thought manny won) marquez went and lost to chris john before rematch with manny(thought manny won rematch too but close) also he fought david diaz who jsut beat morales in which the majority thought morales won. what does that say about diaz?
    morales at that time lost what 4 straight what does that say about the state morales was in? his name and past accomplishments is what makes those wins seem big.

    hatton was koed by floyd and was alsmot knocked out by a noname on th double header with paulie(he had the dreds that day) his last dominant fight was against paulie then was koed by manny. oscar knocked out by bhop lost to floyd was very inactive was getting slaped around by forbes and was heavy drained weak and under prepared(his own condition coach said so) even getting beat up in sparring before fight. clotty drop the ball every chance he got. cotto took a brutal beating from margirito a beating from clotty and had a very green trainer when fought manny.

    is this manny fault hell no. manny job is to train and win. is manny some god hells no hes jsut a fighter a good one great athlete who is a product of great match making and timing. and thats the truth and reality.
    There it is..

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    • #72
      Originally posted by trainhard_187 View Post
      Lets see Floyds been parked at WW for how long now and he finally just fights Shane Mosely who has had 5 losses prior.
      Floyd fights lightweight Marquez who has 4 losses prior. Lets not forget the weight advantage Floyd had...
      Floyd SD and old DLH
      Floyd makes Hatton come up to 147
      Lets not forget Floyd not fighting again this year unless its against the judge.


      Pac came up from lightweight has fought Cotto, Clottey, and now Margarito all fighters Floyd clearly stayed away from during his retirement..

      Again, Floyd is an excellent fighter but in this stage of his career he is a BIG REWARD, LESS RISK type fighter... He continues to find some cop out excuse not to fight big challenges and thats whats ruining his name... It aint the first time Floyd has ducked bigger opposition..

      What does how long Floyds been camped at welterweight have to do with Manny fighting fighters coming off of brutal beatings? Yes, Pacman fought/will fight Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito but all of them were/are coming of a brutal beatdown or a loss. This is a fact. Yes, Manny has moved up in weight and what he's done is admirable, but FAR FROM great. You act as though fighters have never moved up in weight. When was the last time JMM and Mosley lost before Floyd fought them? Btw, Floyd coming in overweight against JMM was bush league.
      Last edited by $tate of Mind; 10-21-2010, 06:48 PM.

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      • #73
        I'm just amazed that the Boxing Writers Association of America, which is supposedly composed of the most knowledgeable boxing afficionados, awarded Pac the Fighter of the Decade in a landslide vote, given how weak his resume really is.

        I guess a bunch of posters here at BS have more credibility.

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        • #74
          Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
          Who do you want Pac to fight? I think you are thinking Pac has to face superman, but that opponent dont exist im afraid. Pac has faced all he has supposed to face, and he beat them better than anyone. YOu cant do more than that.

          Yes PBF gets crtisicm and he sure deserves it more than Pac.
          I want Pac to fight a legitimate opponent who is not coming off a severe ass whopping or a loss in their last two fights. U want some names here they are, Berto (a lot of yall like to **** on Berto but he's young, fast, and undefeated, I would give Pac tons of credit for beating him, which I think he would have a good shot at doing), the winner of Alexander vs Bradley(Bradley has already called Pacquiao out to no avail, but the winner of this fight will no doubt deserve a shot at the "P4P" champ) Khan (a talented, skilled, young, fighter who would be another credible opponent. If u want to use the "not a big enough draw" excuse why doesn't Pac fight JMM again? As I said before I don't care what weight the fight is at, Pac has yet to prove he's a better fighter by beating JMM decisively. JMM vs Pac 3 is a lucrative fight period! If Pac can spark JMM out so quickly at a higher weight, that's easy money for him right? Why doesn't Pac go out and prove it. Pac is avoiding confident fighters (who have won their recent fights) and skilled boxers anyone who doesn't see this is either naive or blind.
          Last edited by $tate of Mind; 10-21-2010, 06:50 PM.

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          • #75
            Originally posted by FootWork777 View Post
            Why is it ok for Pacman to cherry pick a belt from FREAKING David Diaz, but Floyd gets criticized for beating Baldomir who was the lineal welterweight champion, who just defeated Zab Judah, oh yeah Floyd defeated Judah to. Why didn't Pacman fight Juan Diaz at that time?
            well, david diaz did beat zab judah twice..

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            • #76
              Originally posted by FootWork777 View Post
              I want Pac to fight a legitimate opponent who is not coming off a severe ass whopping or a brutal beatdown in their last two fights. U want some names here they are, Berto (a lot of yall like to **** on Berto but he's young, fast, and undefeated, I would give Pac tons of credit for beating him, which I think he would have a good shot at doing), the winner of Alexander vs Bradley(Bradley has already called Pacquiao out to no avail, but the winner of this fight will no doubt deserve a shot at the "P4P" champ) Khan (a talented, skilled, young, fighter who would be another credible opponent. If u want to use the "not a big enough draw" excuse why doesn't Pac fight JMM again? As I said before I don't care what weight the fight is at, Pac has yet to prove he's a better fighter by beating JMM decisively. JMM vs Pac 3 is a lucrative fight period! If Pac can spark JMM out so quickly at a higher weight, that's easy money for him right? Why doesn't Pac go out and prove it. Pac is avoiding confident fighters (who have won their recent fights) and skilled boxers anyone who doesn't see this is either naive or blind.

              So you're saying that Berto, Bradley and JMM at 140 are more credible and dangerous opponents for Pac than Margarito at 150?

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              • #77
                Originally posted by FootWork777 View Post
                I want Pac to fight a legitimate opponent who is not coming off a severe ass whopping or a brutal beatdown in their last two fights. U want some names here they are, Berto (a lot of yall like to **** on Berto but he's young, fast, and undefeated, I would give Pac tons of credit for beating him, which I think he would have a good shot at doing), the winner of Alexander vs Bradley(Bradley has already called Pacquiao out to no avail, but the winner of this fight will no doubt deserve a shot at the "P4P" champ) Khan (a talented, skilled, young, fighter who would be another credible opponent. If u want to use the "not a big enough draw" excuse why doesn't Pac fight JMM again? As I said before I don't care what weight the fight is at, Pac has yet to prove he's a better fighter by beating JMM decisively. JMM vs Pac 3 is a lucrative fight period! If Pac can spark JMM out so quickly at a higher weight, that's easy money for him right? Why doesn't Pac go out and prove it. Pac is avoiding confident fighters (who have won their recent fights) and skilled boxers anyone who doesn't see this is either naive or blind.
                floyd-jmm killed pac-jmm 3 for me...

                khan is his sparring partner ffs...

                and pacquiao tried to fight floyd.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by empiricix View Post
                  I'm just amazed that the Boxing Writers Association of America, which is supposedly composed of the most knowledgeable boxing afficionados, awarded Pac the Fighter of the Decade in a landslide vote, given how weak his resume really is.

                  I guess a bunch of posters here at BS have more credibility.


                  pacquiao deserved that award, more than anybody else (yes, more than floyd)... those who think otherwise are ******ed.

                  and lol at "weak resume"

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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by McFearless View Post
                    If you wanna know why PAC isn't fighting guys on "3+ winning streaks" it's because those guys aren't as established as cotto, hatton, DLH etc (except clottey Idk why that happened)

                    In other words the guys that are on "winning streaks" as you put it, won't bring in the type of money these guys he's faced are bringing. And it'll stay that way until those other guys prove to become better attractions. It sucks but that's the way it is.

                    And that also applies to Floyd or any other top draw.
                    Fair enough, but by this logic how can people accuse Floyd of ducking Margarito. Margarito wasn't a big name at the time people accuse Floyd of ducking him. If Floyd ducked Margarito, Pac has ducked Bradley, who publicly called him out. Floyd gets critized for moving up to 154 to fight the WBC champ in De La Hoya (at 154lbs. no less) for 20+million but is accused of ducking Margarito It's ok for Pacquiao to take fights for money but its not ok for Floyd to do the same thing, he gets major criticism(a la Hatton). There's a double standard here, the hypocricy is MIND BLOWING.
                    Last edited by $tate of Mind; 10-21-2010, 06:46 PM.

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                    • #80
                      Originally posted by empiricix View Post
                      So you're saying that Berto, Bradley and JMM at 140 are more credible and dangerous opponents for Pac than Margarito at 150?
                      I'm saying they wouldn't be coming of a loss or major league ass whopping. What is so hard for u guys to understand about this?

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