Manny Pacquiao takes on all comers, really?

[Ryannn]

Nahh. You only THINK the issue is what Freddie believes.

The guy i was talking to wanted to prove all the opposition pac fought were not at the top of their game and quoted Freddie's statements to back up his claim.

I merely pointed out that though Roach is a top class trainer he tends to contradict himself at times or says things that may be unfavorable to both Pac AND Floyd.

In other words, as Ryann said, you should take whatever Roach says with a grain of salt.

exactly..

look at cotto. freddie says he is damaged goods, but is he? last time i checked, he was whooping an undefeated champion in a new weight class. didn't show any signs of being a damaged fighter.

these dudes are finding ways to **** on pac, its pathetic.

[Bushbaby]

I never understand posts like this. It's just a pretty lame way to counter. The issue isn't whether the person agrees with Freddie's statements, it's whether Freddie believes his statements. And obviously he believed Oscar was shot, Hatton not that good etc etc.

Child please. Forget thinking your fighter will win, he was commenting on how the other fighters weren't really that good. He called Cotto damaged goods before Pacquiao fought him. He said Oscar couldn't pull the trigger anymore. ****, he told Antonio Margarito that his fighter was going to KO him because he saw his "last two fights."

Ya'll need to leave this alone,U'll get nowhere here.Roach also said that Margarito asked him(Roach) to train him &Freddy said he couldn't & Margarito should never be allowed to fight again,but here we are.

[Ryannn]

Ya'll need to leave this alone,U'll get nowhere here.Roach also said that Margarito asked him(Roach) to train him &Freddy said he couldn't & Margarito should never be allowed to fight again,but here we are.

yeah, freddie says a lot of things....

so people shouldn't pick and choose some random roach quote to suit their agenda.

[Bushbaby]

yeah, freddie says a lot of things....

so people shouldn't pick and choose some random roach quote to suit their agenda.

I agree with U on that,Freddy just speaks to hear himself!!We've been through pages of posts battling,I know what u say makes enough sense to be applied!!I think Manny has done marvelous things at lighter weights!!But U know that I believe that Margarito as an opponent,while competitive no doubt is a slap in the face to the 154lb division!!

[IMDAZED]

here we go again, you getting pissed and shit



you see, i knew were gonna come *****ing when i comment on your post...



i personally don't take any thing freddie says as serious as people here do. he is manny's trainer, he is supposed to think his fighter will win. he states reason on why he thinks that, but im not gonna take it like its the fucking word of god.

cotto was a threat, de la hoya was a threat, heck, dare i say margarito is a threat to a lesser extent. don't matter what freddie says, i don't base my opinions on things he says.

oh, and

That's because you've yet to learn how to discern. Whether you take it seriously or not isn't the issue. As far as Margarito, yeah he could be a threat, just like Clottey could've been a threat. That's if you go against the grain. Margarito hasn't looked good in two years, has fought once in that span and is likely past his prime. If a threatening fighter was what team Pacquiao was looking for, they sure wouldn't have chosen him.

[IMDAZED]

Ya'll need to leave this alone,U'll get nowhere here.Roach also said that Margarito asked him(Roach) to train him &Freddy said he couldn't & Margarito should never be allowed to fight again,but here we are.

Yeah but that's not what we're discussing here. So why are you bringing it up? We are speaking about these string of statements which, quite frankly, aren't quite like whatever example you're using. Anyway, the bottom line is that overall, no one can knock Pacquiao's resume. It's phenomenal. But this choice of opponent was disappointing, as was his last one. And Roach's words before those fights underscore this.

[jrosales13]

I think Pac fought a lot of top fighters, I think Pac accomplished a lot. And the stuff he is doing is just incredible just from how he keeps going up in weight and fighting all these bigger guys and making it a mismatch is crazy.

However, if he did fight all comers he would of fought Raheem in 2006.

he would of fought Guzman and Soto in 2007.

He would of fought Shane Mosley

He would of fought JMM III

He would be fighting P-Will right now in Nov.

Since he didn't it is clear he doesn't fight all comers.

But, in this day and age it is hard to fight "all comers".

Elite fighters now fight at the most 3 times a year, some just once a year. And, that is just ridiculous.

However, in 2011 if Manny is not going to retire then he needs to pick up the level of competition again.

[Bushbaby]

Yeah but that's not what we're discussing here. So why are you bringing it up? We are speaking about these string of statements which, quite frankly, aren't quite like whatever example you're using. Anyway, the bottom line is that overall, no one can knock Pacquiao's resume. It's phenomenal. But this choice of opponent was disappointing, as was his last one. And Roach's words before those fights underscore this.

Gotcha,did top rank really post that quote in ur sig??I find that surprising,does Margarito have a belt?!That's the point I was trying to get across,debating with those adoring Pacfarts is useless,reasoning is not 1 of there strongpoints!!

[Ryannn]

That's because you've yet to learn how to discern. Whether you take it seriously or not isn't the issue. As far as Margarito, yeah he could be a threat, just like Clottey could've been a threat. That's if you go against the grain. Margarito hasn't looked good in two years, has fought once in that span and is likely past his prime. If a threatening fighter was what team Pacquiao was looking for, they sure wouldn't have chosen him.

i think margarito is more of a threat than what most here believe cause obviously, there is the size advantage and the fact that he has more to prove. a hungry fighter is a dangerous fighter. that, plus the issue on how the added weight will affect manny. i know it has become a cliche, but he can only climb so much... contrary to popular belief, it isn't as easy as going up in weight class as manny makes it seem to be. maybe the weight would affect him this time.

and of course, margarito isn't the biggest threat that manny could have faced, certainly there are more fighters deserving. im not pretending that manny is doing something ground breaking when he fights margarito. but to think that he doesn't pose a threat is just plain ******.

[IMDAZED]

Gotcha,did top rank really post that quote in ur sig??I find that surprising,does Margarito have a belt?!That's the point I was trying to get across,debating with those adoring Pacfarts is useless,reasoning is not 1 of there strongpoints!!

Well that's what makes the quote funny. The irony of it all. There were better fights out there.