How can a fan of boxing hate on Pacquiao

[IronDanHamza]

I think the term "cherry picking" is exagerated now n days. Both Cotto and Shane were elite WW's and you could make a case for one being better than the other.

Let's flip this for a second and say Sergio Martinez fought Floyd instead of Manny at 154. Would you consider that a cherry pick? Not really because both are elite fighters and you really can't go wrong with either choice as an opponent selection.

Cherry picking is chosing if Manny chose someone like Jose Luis Castillo over a Floyd or Shane Mosley (by choice and not as a last option)

That's a fair statment, i was just making a point alot of fighters pick and choose and Manny isnt any different, fighters pick and choose there opponents, but i agree, although he picked Cotto over Shane which i believe was the easier option at that particular time, he picked Miguel Cotto, thats one of the best options out there, and although i believe he picked the eaiser option you can't knock him for that.

With the Castillo example i dont think anyone would ever take it that far with picking a choosing, Choosing a fighter whos unranked and been clearly done for years with no legit wins in years instead of one of the top fighters in the divison. Well, maybe David Haye, but pretty much no one else.

[IronDanHamza]

To be fair if Manny would have dominated Clottey first...then there wouldn't be a 145lb catchweight. The only reason there was a catchweight was due to know one knowing how Manny would fair against a legit WW. Hell when he was on the ropes against Cotto, Manny's corner went crazy because they thought Cotto would destroy him. Once Manny survived that and went on to dominate Miguel.....everyone realized that he can in fact compete at WW.

I understand that. But is it right to win a title at 147 but having a catchweight because your not sure if you can fight at that weight? I dont think thats right. If your not sure if you can fight at welterweight, have a tune up, Fight Clottey at 145, or another lesser fighter THEN fight for the title at 147, when you know your a true welterweight, thats just my opinion though.

[Bushbaby]

I understand that. But is it right to win a title at 147 but having a catchweight because your not sure if you can fight at that weight? I dont think thats right. If your not sure if you can fight at welterweight, have a tune up, Fight Clottey at 145, or another lesser fighter THEN fight for the title at 147, when you know your a true welterweight, thats just my opinion though.

Iron,there is no excuse for 3 title fights above 140 & 2 are catchweights!!But it's happening!!No one is above criticism & no one should be given passes when others have slaved & fought hard for their respect!!Pacfans shouldn't be so quick to **** on Floyd but scream bloody murder when Pacman's resume over 140 is picked apart,if their gonna criticize,they should accept it as well!!

[Pacquiao'd]

go back to talking to women about boxers they dont know in the club son. You are biased and dont give credit for what pac has achieved. Remember thisis a former flyweight champ he is a living legend and you are just a floiyd nuthugging hater like the ts said you aint a real boxing fan.

why should i when you guys dont give credit to floyd? atleast floyd fought at the weight limit in his bouts. atleast floyd moved up, was truly the smaller guy and didnt try to beat guys on the scales so they werent 100%. nor did floyd deliberately go after guys coming off recent big losses in hopes they werent the same, which is what Roach has done for pac

pacs JRWW and WW run is a joke to me

[-MAKAVELLI-]

why should i when you guys dont give credit to floyd?

dude why dont you just die...the world would be a better place with one less ****** out there

[fcastro1]

why should i when you guys dont give credit to floyd? atleast floyd fought at the weight limit in his bouts. atleast floyd moved up, was truly the smaller guy and didnt try to beat guys on the scales so they werent 100%

pacs JRWW and WW run is a joke to me

Foyds run above 135 is joke to me. His career for the last 5 years has been a joke to me. And exactly who did pac beat on the weights. Cotto had no problem making 145 so that is no excuse and oscar was the one who asked for a welteweight fight. Pac moving up 2 weights.

[Bushbaby]

[QUOTE=fcastro1;9433384]Wheres the facts in his post. This dud is a constant hater on this site and he doesn't give pac any credit. No fighter is beyond criticsm but what pac is doing goes way beyond what floyd has been doing for the last couple of years. Floyd has retired and has never looked to face the best and makes excuses and fights once a year if your lucky. Pac has come fought the best featherweights to fight the best welterweighs. We all know who is carrying boxing at the moment and giving the sport a positive look through the world not Floyd with his drugs, excuses, and beating crap.[/QUOTE]

Floyd beat Mosley earlier this year!!What does those accusations outside the ring have to do with inside it,before anyone makes an assumption on that,they should wait until that fiasco is over,Women does lie u know.But my points are that every fighter can be criticized,Pacman too!!Pacfans are always quick to criticize Floyd but can't take when facts about Pacman are returned!!It is a fact that Pacman has 3 fights over 140 & 2 were indeed catchweights(the Margarito fight isn't done yet,but it will be),is it not!!These are facts,like it or not!!

[ALG United]

there was no "jumping" dude was draining himself to fight smaller mean.

he should have been fighting at 147 a while ago. but its nice to see that team pacs plan fooling you into thinking pac is some small guy worked

What are you, a ****** or something?!! Like most of the ******s here who somehow developed an acute case of amnesia in just one year, they all seems to forget that manny was a career featherweight from 2003 upto 2008. He made his first jump to lightweight with Diaz mid 2008, then was cherrypicked by Oscar late 2008 where in Manny was weigh in 142lbs for a welterweight fight, no belts, just money fight. Then fought Hatton mid 2009 weighing only 138lbs the day before the light WW title fight. So Manny's real test at welter was with Cotto, yes it was a catchweight for a WW title fight wherein Manny came in at 144lbs and Cotto at 145lbs, but Cotto doesn't really mind specially when he was only 146lbs a few months ago against Clottey. Then Manny fought Clottey next, an even bigger WW fighter, now there is no reason for a catchweight since Manny already had a feel of a WW fighter, so Manny was close to 150lbs at fight night and Clottey was huge at 165lbs. And now, once again Manny is jumping one more division and fighting Margarito for the light middleweight belt with a catchweight of 150lbs, these doesn't bother Tony at all since he is a career welter to begin with, actually the catchweight benefits Tony more than Manny..

So now just to remind you all again, Manny is 5'6" in height with a reach of 67" going against big welters and light middles with heights of 5'8"-5'11"s and arm reach of 72"-75"s, so Manny really is a midget fighting big men, and it is really hard to believe that the smaller guy is the one who is cherrypicking...

[IronDanHamza]

Iron,there is no excuse for 3 title fights above 140 & 2 are catchweights!!But it's happening!!No one is above criticism & no one should be given passes when others have slaved & fought hard for their respect!!Pacfans shouldn't be so quick to **** on Floyd but scream bloody murder when Pacman's resume over 140 is picked apart,if their gonna criticize,they should accept it as well!!

I agree. I see alot of people quick to critize others dont like the same treatment when there is valid arugments.

[fcastro1]

.[/[/B]QUOTE] Floyd beat Mosley earlier this year!!What does those accusations outside the ring have to do with inside it,before anyone makes an assumption on that,they should wait until that fiasco is over,Women does lie u know.But my points are that every fighter can be criticized,Pacman too!!Pacfans are always quick to criticize Floyd but can't take when facts about Pacman are returned!!It is a fact that Pacman has 3 fights over 140 & 2 were indeed catchweights(the Margarito fight isn't done yet,but it will be),is it not!!These are facts,like it or not!![/QUOTE]


floyd represents the sport and when he does things outside the ring that brings a negative light to our sport of cours it matters. This dude retires after a retirement , brings up drugs and peds like he is on a crusade, which is bull****, and he fights once a year. I agree about the catchweightfor titles that it isn't right, but please stop acting like its a blasphemy or something. catchweights are a part ofboxing. It has been done by many greats before, so why is it a big deal when pac does it.