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  • Dave Rado
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    #151
    Originally posted by Dan Vida
    No Wladimir is clearing the division not Vitali.Wladimirs(as much as I dont like him) work is his own work and why he ranks much higher than Vitali.beating the likes of kevin johnson,sosnowski and shannon briggs isnt clearing the division out.Vitali has cherry picked his entire career.
    Vitali is letting Wlad get first choice of opponent because Wlad is the one who has the better chance of ending up with ATG status. But even so, Vitali has fought three top 10 fighters (in The Ring's rankings) since coming back from retirement - and Kevin Johnson was a fringe contender and only just outside the top 10 when they fought. And Vitali was ducked by Haye and Valuev this year, Adamek was also offered a fight with Vitali this year and said he wasn't ready, and the same is true for Solis. And he'll almost certainly fight either Solis or Adamek next. He's fighting more or less the best opponents he can get, given that Wlad gets first choice.

    That said, I'd have preferred him to fight someone like Thompson rather than Briggs, but the truth is, he'd have then been criticised for fighting Wlad's leftovers, so he can't win. And Briggs had a big punch and was a big name, so commercially it generated more interest than a fight with Thompson would have.

    But bottom line, it's the top contenders you should be criticising for not wanting to fight him, not Vitali.
    Last edited by Dave Rado; 10-18-2010, 08:59 PM.

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      #152
      Originally posted by Dan Vida
      No Wladimir is clearing the division not Vitali.Wladimirs(as much as I dont like him) work is his own work and why he ranks much higher than Vitali.beating the likes of kevin johnson,sosnowski and shannon briggs isnt clearing the division out.Vitali has cherry picked his entire career.
      What a crock of crap. I do believe that seven of Vitali's last ten opponents were rated in the top ten of not some BS alphabet garbage rankings but by Ring magazine. I know his last two were not but he did try to get fights with Valuev and Haye to no avail and not his fault. And I am not sure were Danny Williams was rated when they fought. And as far as ranking of the brothers one is ranked number one and the other number two and many believe that it is a toss up on who is actually better. So, there you go your ridicules statement is blown out of the water not by my opinion but by the facts.

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      • Dan Vida
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        #153
        Originally posted by Dave Rado
        Vitali is letting Wlad get first choice of opponent because Wlad is the one who has the better chance of ending up with ATG status. But even so, Vitali has fought three top 10 fighters (in The Ring's rankings) since coming back from retirement - and Kevin Johnson was a fringe contender and only just outside the top 10 when they fought. And Vitali was ducked by Haye and Valuev this year, Adamek was also offered a fight with Vitali this year and said he wasn't ready, and the same is true for Solis. And he'll almost certainly fight either Solis or Adamek next. He's fighting more or less the best opponents he can get, given that Wlad gets first choice.

        That said, I'd have preferred him to fight someone like Thompson rather than Briggs, but the truth is, he'd have then been criticised for fighting Wlad's leftovers, so he can't win. And Briggs had a big punch and was a big name, so commercially it generated more interest than a fight with Thompson would have.

        But bottom line, it's the top contenders you should be criticising for not wanting to fight him, not Vitali.


        Ive followed Vitali throughout his career and know how he operates.He's took on easy,outmatched opponents throughout his career and avoided top ten contenders.You expect us to believe that he's jusy being a kind older brother by passing the more difficult opponents onto his little brother? Sorry,thats just a lame excuse.


        Travis Walker also has a punch,he also isnt completely shot and boxed just 4 rounds in the last 3 years either.Even he had more credibility as a challenger than briggs did.Solis is out there and has called Vitali out.Simply put there are so many other options out there besides briggs.

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        • Dan Vida
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          #154
          Originally posted by Ravens Fan
          What a crock of crap. I do believe that seven of Vitali's last ten opponents were rated in the top ten of not some BS alphabet garbage rankings but by Ring magazine. I know his last two were not but he did try to get fights with Valuev and Haye to no avail and not his fault. And I am not sure were Danny Williams was rated when they fought. And as far as ranking of the brothers one is ranked number one and the other number two and many believe that it is a toss up on who is actually better. So, there you go your ridicules statement is blown out of the water not by my opinion but by the facts.


          Vitali has just about fought seven top ten contenders in his entire career.Danny Williams was not rated,neither was Sosnowski,neither was briggs and neither was kirk johnson.And other than quit against chris byrd,he didnt do anything before that either.


          Vitali made a career out of avoiding top ten contenders,thats a fact.His record is padded full of outmatched opponents that posed no threat,besides Lewis and byrd,who both beat him.

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            #155
            When is Kimbo coming to boxing,I'd like to see him in the ring against one of the bros. Boxing wise he gets smoked but he might be able to bumrush them into the ropes and muscle them around.

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              #156
              Originally posted by Dan Vida
              Ive followed Vitali throughout his career and know how he operates.He's took on easy,outmatched opponents throughout his career and avoided top ten contenders.You expect us to believe that he's jusy being a kind older brother by passing the more difficult opponents onto his little brother? Sorry,thats just a lame excuse.


              Travis Walker also has a punch,he also isnt completely shot and boxed just 4 rounds in the last 3 years either.Even he had more credibility as a challenger than briggs did.Solis is out there and has called Vitali out.Simply put there are so many other options out there besides briggs.
              Fact is Briggs deserved the shot just as much if not more than the fat Cuban did. Because at least Briggs was a world class fighter at one time and still has power. And I believe if Vitali fought and whipped Solis you would be saying the same thing about him not deserving the fight. So, it's blah blah blah over and over again.

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                #157
                Originally posted by Dan Vida
                Vitali has just about fought seven top ten contenders in his entire career.Danny Williams was not rated,neither was Sosnowski,neither was briggs and neither was kirk johnson.And other than quit against chris byrd,he didnt do anything before that either.


                Vitali made a career out of avoiding top ten contenders,thats a fact.His record is padded full of outmatched opponents that posed no threat,besides Lewis and byrd,who both beat him.
                Oh, I see so it went from no top ten opponents to seven. Sorry you can no longer be taken seriously end of discussion. And by the way Kirk Johnson was in fact rated in the top 10 when he fought Vitali.

                Heavyweights 2003 Ring magazine

                Lennox Lewis, Champion

                1. Wladimir Klitschko
                2. Chris Byrd
                3. David Tua
                4. Evander Holyfield
                5. John Ruiz
                6. Hasim Rahman
                7. Vitali Klitschko
                8. Kirk Johnson
                9. Mike Tyson
                10. Jameel McCline

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                  #158
                  Originally posted by Dan Vida
                  Ive followed Vitali throughout his career and know how he operates.He's took on easy,outmatched opponents throughout his career and avoided top ten contenders.
                  All his opponents from Lewis to Arreola inclusive were ranked in The Ring's top 10 at the time they fought him, so either you're very ill informed or you're outright lying.

                  Originally posted by Dan Vida
                  You expect us to believe that he's jusy being a kind older brother by passing the more difficult opponents onto his little brother? Sorry,thats just a lame excuse.
                  When he came back from retirement Wlad was the champion, so of course he didn't want to take Wlad's glory away from him, that's just common sense.

                  Originally posted by Dan Vida
                  Travis Walker also has a punch,he also isnt completely shot and boxed just 4 rounds in the last 3 years either.Even he had more credibility as a challenger than briggs did.Solis is out there and has called Vitali out.Simply put there are so many other options out there besides briggs.
                  You're being ridiculous. Travis Walker was beaten in three rounds by Arreola, who was then easily beaten by Vitali; and he's lost his last two fights to journeymen, both by knock-out. If that's your idea of a credible opponent then you're just trolling. And I've already pointed out that Solis was offered a fight with Vitali this year but turned it down, saying that he wasn't ready - but is fighting Austin next for a mandatory shot at Vitali, so will be fighting Vitali in the New Year. But when they fight you'll complain that Solis isn't a top 10 fighter.
                  Last edited by Dave Rado; 10-19-2010, 12:41 AM.

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                  • Dan Vida
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                    #159
                    Originally posted by Ravens Fan
                    Fact is Briggs deserved the shot just as much if not more than the fat Cuban did. Because at least Briggs was a world class fighter at one time and still has power. And I believe if Vitali fought and whipped Solis you would be saying the same thing about him not deserving the fight. So, it's blah blah blah over and over again.

                    Briggs is a decade past his prime and has barely been active in the last three years.He got a gift decision over an ancient George foreman while he was still in his prime,he scored a fluke ko over Liakhovich over 4 years ago.Vitali doesnt want to fight Solis because Solis,as fat as he is still has a working pulse.


                    Originally posted by Ravens Fan
                    Heavyweights 2003 Ring magazine

                    Lennox Lewis, Champion

                    1. Wladimir Klitschko
                    2. Chris Byrd
                    3. David Tua
                    4. Evander Holyfield
                    5. John Ruiz
                    6. Hasim Rahman
                    7. Vitali Klitschko
                    8. Kirk Johnson
                    9. Mike Tyson
                    10. Jameel McCline


                    That list is from 2002 you ******.Kirk Johnson was no longer rated by the time Vitali fought him.

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                    • Dan Vida
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                      #160
                      Originally posted by Dave Rado
                      All his opponents from Lewis to Arreola inclusive were ranked in The Ring's top 10 at the time they fought him, so either you're very ill informed or you're outright lying.


                      When he came back from retirement Wlad was the champion, so of course he didn't want to take Wlad's glory away from him, that's just common sense.

                      And this explains Vitalis cherry picking throughout his career how excactly? Whats Vitalis excuse for not fighting a single ranked contender until he fought Lennox Lewis again? Youre the one lying here to defend you idols ****ty record.



                      Originally posted by Dave Rado
                      You're being ridiculous. Travis Walker was beaten in three rounds by Arreola, who was then easily beaten by Vitali; and he's lost his last two fights to journeymen, both by knock-out. If that's your idea of a credible opponent then you're just trolling. And I've already pointed out that Solis was offered a fight with Vitali this year but turned it down, saying that he wasn't ready - but is fighting Austin next for a mandatory shot at Vitali, so will be fighting Vitali in the New Year. But when they fight you'll complain that Solis isn't a top 10 fighter.


                      I never said Walker was a credible opponent idiot,I said he had more credibility as a challenger than briggs.My comment has everything to do with briggs not deserving his opportunity rather than Walker deserving his.

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